Is Responsibility Heavy AF? with Becky Murway
Is your sense of duty lifting you—or crushing you?
If you’ve ever felt the weight of always being the one people count on, this episode is your permission slip to pause. We’re diving into the CliftonStrengths theme of Responsibility, especially when it shows up in overdrive. Sarah and Bill welcome Becky Murway—Director of Operations, former business owner, and all-around executing powerhouse—whose #1 strength is Responsibility.
Becky opens up about the pressures of showing up for everyone, the struggle to delegate, and how saying “yes” too often can quietly lead to burnout. Through real stories and coaching moments, she shares how she’s learning to reframe delegation, protect her energy, and celebrate her growth. Together, we unpack why Responsibility is a strength that shines—but also one that needs boundaries, strategy, and sometimes, a really great coach.
If you’ve ever felt like the lost-and-found bin of your office or home, carrying the weight others drop, this episode is your reminder: you are not alone—and you’re allowed to carry less.
💡 7 Main Takeaways
Responsibility + Achiever = Doer overload—a powerful combo that can lead to burnout if not managed intentionally.
High Responsibility often means prioritizing others at your own expense.
Coaching offers essential perspective and accountability for Responsibility-driven leaders.
Delegating isn’t a weakness—it’s leadership.
Strategic thinking time feels unproductive to executors, but it’s crucial for growth.
You need an “offensive line”—people or boundaries—to protect your capacity.
Responsibility shines brightest when it’s aimed at the right things, not everything.
🔥 Sound Bites
“If I say I’ll do it, I will—even if it breaks me.”
“Responsibility is my superpower… and my kryptonite.”
“Just because I can carry it doesn’t mean I should.”
“I’m not the lost and found anymore. I’m a carry-on bag.”
“Responsibility without boundaries is a fast track to burnout.”
“I used to think delegation was a dirty word.”
“I’m learning to lead, not just to do.”
“Coaching helps me stop, reflect, and actually celebrate.”
“When your 10 is someone else’s 15, you’ve got to recalibrate.”
“I used to say yes to everything—and it cost me more than I realized.”
“Saying yes to everyone else often means saying no to yourself.”
“Responsibility made me a rockstar… until it made me exhausted.”
“My boss told me, ‘Pick one role.’ I wanted to pick five.”
“Being good at everything doesn’t mean you should do everything.”
“High Responsibility needs high intention.”
Bill's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Individualization
2) Developer
3) Activator
4) Woo
5) Restorative
6) Empathy
7) Harmony
8) Connectedness
9) Relator
10) Learner
Sarah's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Positivity
2) Woo
3) Communication
4) Harmony
5) Activator
6) Developer
7) Input
8) Individualization
9) Responsibility
10) Arranger
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Transcript
Sarah Collins (00:01.506)
Mr. Bill Dippel how we doing today?
Bill Dippel (00:03.047)
Well, fantastically. And Sarah Collins, always amazing to work with you. how's the, did you tell me the weather's not so great in your part of the world?
Sarah Collins (00:12.782)
It's been a little gloomy. We're end of May right now. We've had a lot of rain, which is good. You know, it's making the gardens grow. The grass is green, but for a Memorial Day weekend, it was pretty rainy, gloomy, a little chilly, which is not what we love. But summer is coming. You know, I actually looked at the weather app today and I see the 70s and 80s in the sunshine. It is in my future.
Bill Dippel (00:35.635)
Mmm. Wow. I I I it's tough for me to resonate with that right now because Reno, Nevada springtime right now is spectacular just
Sarah Collins (00:47.032)
What is the temperature?
Bill Dippel (00:49.299)
We're hovering right at the 76 degree mark, right? I think we might've hit 80 yesterday. Some light afternoon breezes. We're in a desert, so we don't have any humidity to deal with. I know that's something you gotta play with, right?
Sarah Collins (00:52.322)
Okay, that's nice. Nice, that's beautiful.
Mm. Right.
Yes, we do. My husband is actually in Las Vegas and literally hours before he had to get on his flight, he looked at the weather, did not have packed in everything, looks at the weather and is like, my gosh, it's going to be a hundred in Las Vegas. I don't know if I brought enough shorts. And in this moment I'm thinking, could I hate you more?
Bill Dippel (01:19.986)
Yes it is.
Bill Dippel (01:26.641)
Ricky, Ricky mistake, right?
Sarah Collins (01:28.068)
And I'm like, you know, it's a dry heat there. Every Midwestern knows, right? Like it's a dry heat, so it's not gonna feel as hot.
Bill Dippel (01:35.68)
I just, I never, I never understood packing right the minute before. I'm always, I always got to know it way ahead of time.
Sarah Collins (01:42.874)
He was already packed. He literally had to go like repack and add shorts because he just packed blindly.
Bill Dippel (01:49.693)
Yeah, you know, I am going to defend the male part of this though. I mean, we will rotate shorts and make it look good changing up shirts. We, you know, we can put that to, you know, we don't put in the amazing time and effort that the ladies in our lives do. So.
Sarah Collins (01:57.442)
Yes, yes I know.
Sarah Collins (02:05.902)
Well, and to his credit, he was in New York last week. And so what he did is he got home from New York, threw his suitcase in the washing machine, put it in the dryer and put it back in the suitcase.
Bill Dippel (02:08.872)
Hmm.
Bill Dippel (02:16.059)
no. Too good, too good. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (02:18.416)
I know, so goofy. But Bill, I have a different question for you that's more related to the point of this podcast.
Bill Dippel (02:25.471)
Oh, you mean we're throwing podcast questions at each other all of a sudden? No. I mean, if we have to know, we have to know. what what do you got today?
Sarah Collins (02:28.388)
Padcast questions, welcome to the padcast. Yes. Okay, so how have your strengths, Mr. Dippel, helped or challenged you as a business owner lately?
Bill Dippel (02:42.277)
how very meta. We're going to talk about me today or at least my strengths. that's a great question. So as a business owner, leader of Buildable Strengths Coaching and working with the groups and the teams that I do, I would say one thing and to not bury the lead too much, our guest today is also a client of mine. So one of the things that I
Sarah Collins (02:45.809)
Mm-hmm, yeah, just for a little bit.
Sarah Collins (03:05.389)
Okay.
Bill Dippel (03:08.371)
that helps me so much. And I think this is common from our coaching world when we talk. We joke often at the Charlotte Blair event how much individualization is in the room, how many people have it. And so for me to be able to break down my clients and to be able to really assist and understand what they bring individually has been super helpful. And I think that's a commonality to that. Of course, number two for me is developer.
Sarah Collins (03:17.818)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (03:33.533)
So weird individualization developer turned into a strength coach. I don't know how you know the magic happened there but the one thing I would say right now that has been Very helpful for me, but also something I've had to work with is I think we've casually mentioned on one of the previous podcasts I have an intern at the moment and she's been shadowing me almost matter of fact today or tomorrow's her last day with us, so she's
Sarah Collins (03:38.116)
Right? Shocking.
Sarah Collins (03:54.414)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (04:02.399)
She's amazing, she's wonderful to deal with but that developer super flared up. I need to get her up to speed, I want her to do everything. Kind of funny, she was telling me, some of the other ladies at her school, they were all talking about their internships because as seniors they all have to do it. And some of them were like, yeah, I got to shred and file all day for 60 hours.
Sarah Collins (04:09.005)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (04:21.785)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (04:29.139)
that would kill me. That would kill my developer if she didn't walk away and be like, I, you know, I got to do that. And I've had her speak at BNI and I've had her talk yesterday at a half day event we did where she was talking about what strikes meant to her. So I would just say being able to to woo it up. Number four for me a little bit. That's good. But also keeping the developer individualization really high with her and allowing that to happen.
Sarah Collins (04:31.15)
Yeah, for sure.
Becky Murway (04:41.294)
you
Sarah Collins (04:50.576)
Thank you.
Sarah Collins (04:56.388)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (04:59.165)
That happens a lot with my clients. So I'm very grateful for that. And I guess today's part of that. I'm very, very grateful to work with with today's However, it that is kind of common for me. The challenge for me lately has been the internship because I didn't really expect it to come come to be. So, you know, you almost feel like a father. You want to, you know, help so much and put all the information in. So and then.
Sarah Collins (05:17.676)
Okay.
Bill Dippel (05:26.239)
really grateful. I asked her yesterday, well, what are you going to do with this? Because she wants to go on and possibly do psychology and do some other stuff. She said, I think I'm going to I might go get certified. And I was like, wow, what? Just saying, you know, I'm doing all I can over here, Sarah, you know, I've got I'm doing what I can. So.
Sarah Collins (05:35.864)
Wow! Look at that! Bringing up the next generation. Gotta love it!
Sarah Collins (05:44.996)
Yeah.
I mean, the more you golf, you gotta replace yourself somehow.
Bill Dippel (05:50.931)
Look, this tan doesn't just happen, right? I mean, I've got a you know, I got a lot to go on with where we're at. So but look, I've I have hit the lead long enough. Let's introduce our guest today, right? We want to we've got a great question today, a question I'm really excited to hit on because it's high for me responsibility. And I like I like it being there. And our guest today has some real uniqueness.
Sarah Collins (06:04.878)
Yeah, let's do it.
Bill Dippel (06:21.041)
in the executing themes that we're going to point out in a couple minutes. So I'm really grateful to have worked with this person for, think. Can I say how long now? A year, year and a half year somewhere in there? Yeah. So and I've worked primarily actually exclusively with this client one on one more from a director's with director C. Sweetie. Let's get together and talk about moving forward and going through. So I want
Becky Murway (06:34.687)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (06:50.461)
to introduce today Becky Merway. Becky, welcome to the show!
Sarah Collins (06:53.376)
Awesome.
Becky Murway (06:53.577)
Hello. Hi guys, thanks for having me.
Bill Dippel (06:56.807)
love having you on today. And as we would point out, responsibility, which is our question today, is number one for you. And, you know, we're always talking about how those fit and where they sit. Can you do can you remind people of what your top five top 10 are or should I run them through? she's going to look.
Becky Murway (07:00.558)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (07:05.36)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (07:17.23)
you go ahead. I, you know, I'd have to use my notes. So you go ahead, Bill. I definitely know the top two, but I'm not that good at the other ones yet.
Bill Dippel (07:21.951)
I know, I don't want you to have to, you don't need to pull them up, we'll hit you with them.
So your responsibility and your harmony are really tall, right? That's one in two for you. Then she follows up with restorative achiever individualization, as we all know, one of my favorite themes. Relator input arranger. She rounds out with focus and empathy. And we have coached around a bunch of those. Would you say that's fair, Becky? Yeah, it's.
Sarah Collins (07:33.754)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (07:34.146)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (07:52.185)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (07:57.78)
Absolutely.
Sarah Collins (07:59.056)
And Becky, don't know if you claim these, but for the audience, I'm looking at her full report and discipline, deliberative and consistency are 11, 12, 13. So she is an executing powerhouse is what we're going to say. I have met Becky for about seven minutes and I already know that this woman can get stuff done. You know, I don't like to strengths predict, but I'm just going to go out a limb when we've got all of the executing themes except one up in the top 13. There's something happened in there.
Becky Murway (08:11.497)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (08:11.497)
She won.
Bill Dippel (08:17.876)
Yes.
Becky Murway (08:21.709)
Yes.
Becky Murway (08:27.433)
Yeah. Well, and after my, you know, a little bit of coaching, I changed my LinkedIn little descriptor to make people happy, get things done. That's what I like to do.
Sarah Collins (08:37.672)
Yes. Oh yes, because she's got those four relationship building themes. So making people happy, that's important too. Becky, I've got contacts at 11 and I like to know a little background information. So can you tell us a little bit about, you know, what do you do? What's your role? What's your work? You know, sort of the work you're doing with Bill. Give us a little bit of context of who you are so we can kind of place you in the world.
Bill Dippel (08:38.162)
Yes.
Bill Dippel (08:44.358)
It is, yeah.
Becky Murway (09:03.918)
Sure. So I, for about 10 years in my previous career, owned a bit, co-owned a business. It was in the advertising marketing space. So that's been my whole background is advertising marketing. And then within the last two years, I shifted my career completely and went into a whole other world of architecture. So yes.
Sarah Collins (09:28.718)
Wow.
Becky Murway (09:30.926)
very exciting, but also everything's new. So it's been a challenge, which I've just been so grateful for. and I've loved every minute learning all of the things. sad to say I'm not an architect, but I do. Yeah. Yeah. No, I am director of operations for our firm. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (09:47.28)
I was gonna say, I need to know, are you an architect? Like, what do we mean? How does one become an architect after having a whole career? So you are not an architect. What is the role that you have now?
Director of Operations. my gosh, how fitting with all these executing themes. Wow, okay, excellent. And how long have you been in this new career? Almost two years. And so you have a career in marketing and advertising and then do a little flippy floppy, become Director of Operations for an architecture firm.
Becky Murway (10:01.934)
Yeah. Yes.
Bill Dippel (10:02.589)
I know, it's terrible isn't it? How does she do it? Yeah, yeah.
Becky Murway (10:10.631)
almost two years.
Becky Murway (10:24.568)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (10:25.848)
And today we are hitting up the question, is responsibility heavy AF? And if you don't know what AF means, go Google it. So I don't have to put explicit podcast as all fiddle diddle. Is responsibility heavy as all fiddle diddle is what we're going to say it stands for today.
Becky Murway (10:31.214)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (10:34.651)
Ask your child. Ask your teenager.
Bill Dippel (10:46.719)
Hmm?
Sarah Collins (10:47.95)
Before we launch into our discussion, because I am so ready to have this discussion, I think it's one many people are familiar with, we did do a LinkedIn poll. So if you're not familiar with our new format of the pod, we want your voices here. So I actually went to LinkedIn, I asked people, is responsibility actually heavy AF? And here are our results. 38 % say absolutely, it's exhausting. 19 % said only when others flake.
0 % said, no, I love the weight. And 44%, the largest percentage said, depends on the situation, which honestly need to stop even giving people the option.
Becky Murway (11:19.502)
You
Bill Dippel (11:25.961)
You need to stop doing that. That needs to come off. Our pollsters have been taking the easy way out too long. You're giving it to them.
Sarah Collins (11:32.046)
I know, stop taking the easy way out. I know, I need to eliminate that. But we had some really interesting comments. I'm gonna read these to get us started, because I think it will help our discussion as we go forward. Maggie Malour, she is a coach. She said she loves her responsibility and it helps her love people. And I said, tell me more about how it helps you love people. And she said, I show up, it's my executing energy.
Bill Dippel (11:42.056)
Hit us.
Sarah Collins (11:56.558)
I care deeply about people, so I do what matters to serve them and care for them. I get a lot done in order to do what matters most. And so one of the things I think we're gonna talk about is the other strengths that surround responsibility and how that impacts them. So I have to believe of knowing Maggie that she also has a lot of those relationship building themes. Mike Christensen, who is the...
Becky Murway (11:59.354)
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Bill Dippel (12:16.895)
Yeah. Well, right. And right when you said that about Maggie, my thoughts instantly were, man, I wish I knew what the other top six are set. Right. Because for her, that responsibility is wrapped all around the people and the helping of. So I love that. Yeah. Really, really good comment.
Sarah Collins (12:25.773)
Exactly.
Sarah Collins (12:31.744)
Exactly. know. Mike Christensen, president of Bikuba, who we love, another strengths organization. said, responsibility is number one for me. Somehow it's my superpower and my kryptonite at the same time. I love it and it drives everything I do, but occasionally it gets me in trouble. And I think that that is a very common sentiment that I hear with responsibility.
Becky Murway (12:36.363)
Okay.
Bill Dippel (12:56.831)
I think I just saw Becky smile, laugh and almost pass out from relating to that particular comment.
Becky Murway (13:01.0)
Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely.
Sarah Collins (13:08.304)
We have Colleen here saying both. find people with high responsibility can burn out quickly even more so if they have empathy right next to it. So again, it's as coaches, you can hear a lot of the coaches are responding here thinking about what other strengths are next to it and how does that impact it? And again, I see Becky saying yes, because she's got empathy in that top 10. And so I think we're going to have a dynamic conversation about that. And one more comment from the commenters. People are starting to really get on our comments and I'm liking it.
Bill Dippel (13:36.059)
Yeah, I love the comment people. That's good.
Sarah Collins (13:38.138)
Jamal and Jamal's been trying to get on this podcast too. So look out for that friends.
Bill Dippel (13:44.957)
You know, one way to get there is keep leaving comments and stop picking it depends on the poll. Pass that you're in, we'll bring it.
Becky Murway (13:47.342)
Ha ha.
Sarah Collins (13:53.508)
That's exactly right. He says, it's heavy for those with this, it's heavy for those with this strength, especially if they are surrounded by coworkers, family and friends who pour on to them because they know a ball won't be dropped. High responsibility leaders need an offensive line to keep them from piling on.
Becky Murway (14:06.734)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (14:12.418)
I love this visual that Jamal just made for us about the offensive line. you know like football, let me just go onto them here. Your O line is protecting your quarterback so he has time to do something. So I love the visual Jamal brought us of if you have high responsibility, you need an offensive line in front of you to protect you. So you're doing what really matters. Yeah. Bill, will you give our audience?
Bill Dippel (14:17.855)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (14:25.638)
Nice.
Bill Dippel (14:35.431)
Yes, yes, so very good.
Sarah Collins (14:40.032)
a quick definition of responsibility. If those people who are listening don't have it or are not as familiar, what would you say, you know, in a couple sentences, responsibility means?
Bill Dippel (14:50.919)
Yeah, absolutely. Yesterday, the half day I was working with a team, many, many of them had responsibility high. So it's one we defined and broke down for the group and the team in the room. And generally, when I'm defining this for a larger group and we're going to make some generalizations about it, I usually start with if you're going to if you have high responsibility, you're going to put your name on it and you're going to stick to it.
So we we look at that as if as long as I'm being asked and as long as I take on the Responsibility component if I'm willing to accept it My name is on it. I will see it over the finish line. So again in that football analogy I will punch it over the goal line and get it through there because my responsibility requires that that happen and I think your comments reflect really well on
the different ways people see that. I'm going to punch it through for other people and help them get there. I'm going to make sure that I am defending the ability of other people to get things done, but I'm going to do that by working really hard myself. So those are those are all really good reasons to look at responsibility and reasons to think about the way it plays out. I like to just say I'll put my name on it, but I tend to always back that up with
Sarah Collins (15:47.12)
Hmm.
Sarah Collins (15:55.578)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (15:59.274)
.
Bill Dippel (16:10.425)
Asking the people because that one's a pretty easy one to make the leap. What's the downside of? responsibility and inevitably we always get to burn out we end up getting to Overwork how much you take on if you're willing to say yes to everything and put your name on it Does that mean nothing is getting completed? everything keeps moving forward so That's a that's my breakdown of responsibility. Is there anything else on your end that you when you're coaching you're throwing at people?
Sarah Collins (16:15.632)
Mmm.
Sarah Collins (16:19.535)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (16:31.749)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (16:40.612)
would say the only thing I would add to what you said, because I think you articulate it really well, is responsibility often keys in on telling someone else, committing to someone else. find it oftentimes, it can be internal, especially if you've got that achiever like Becky has here, and we're going to talk about that. But I find responsibility is really if I tell someone I'm going to do something, my word is good as gold, right? It's that anchor of another person is expecting this.
Becky Murway (16:56.014)
Mm.
Sarah Collins (17:10.136)
and that it's, if you've read the Four Tendency by Gretchen Rubin, I often find that our responsibility folks can be obligers. And obliger is like, if I tell someone I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. I may not, depending on my other strengths, I may not be as accountable to myself, but if I have responsibility, I'm anchoring to someone else and that is gonna pull me to do the things and get the things done, because I'm putting it on my shoulders.
Bill Dippel (17:27.346)
raise.
Bill Dippel (17:35.685)
Absolutely, And and Becky, it's number 11 for me, number nine, I believe, for you, Sarah. So that's why we're super excited to talk about this today. You can tell by listening to us. We're we're railing on about responsibility and how it fits, but it's not number one for either of us. So can you give us an example of maybe talk about the responsibility that you have, where it comes into play for you, maybe a situation or two recently where
Becky Murway (17:36.117)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (17:51.321)
Yes.
Becky Murway (17:55.14)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (18:04.423)
where you've found that your responsibility or some of the coaching we've done has stepped up, made a big difference for you.
Becky Murway (18:13.582)
Sure, yeah. I think just in the way that I have transitioned in my career recently, it's been so helpful. I I came into the firm using my advertising marketing background. They needed those services at the time. And I also had the background of being a business owner. So I immediately empathized with our owner, Jeff.
Bill Dippel (18:18.847)
Sure.
Becky Murway (18:39.93)
And saw how busy he was. And I kept saying, I know that my role is advertising marketing, but if you need help with this, I can do that. And if you need help with this, I can do that. I love that makes me happy. I love doing that. but that did get me to where I am today and transitioning to operations because I, know, he saw, and I love that he saw these things and appreciated these things in me.
that I was able to kind of do multiple things. And I like being a part of all different types of the, or portions of the business, right? So I think my responsibility has played out in that I can help myself in furthering my career and furthering the way I can help our firm. So I use it in a good way, in that way. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (19:32.947)
Yes, yeah, I would absolutely agree. You use it in a great way, right? Especially coaching with you and working through how that responsibility is actually most often for you. It's felt heavy for you at times. I know that. But being able to coach you and say, look at the good that you're doing with it, look at how you've transitioned, where you've pivoted. And as you give us that breakdown, that harmony that's right next to it.
Becky Murway (19:47.682)
Yes. Yeah.
Becky Murway (19:59.844)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (20:00.08)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (20:00.561)
I hear it so much in you and we've worked on this a bit together and I feel for the owner of the company I'm currently at. I need us going in that same direction. I need to keep us moving and I need to be responsible to make that happen. I need to make sure he understands that I am here to make all of this better, easier as we keep going. And there have been times you and I have worked where you have thought
Becky Murway (20:17.159)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Bill Dippel (20:27.933)
I'm not even certain anyone notices. And then you realize somebody makes the comment. Somebody says, man, thank you so much for doing that and what it means to you. Right. Again, that harmony that's in there and the achiever being able to check the boxes and being able to move through it. Right. Can you touch on that for a second? The achiever side of it and how important it is to get it over the line, but check it off, get it done, move forward.
Becky Murway (20:33.044)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Sarah Collins (20:42.917)
Hmm.
Becky Murway (20:53.307)
Absolutely. Having a list of tangible items for me to complete is like my sweet spot. I just love, you know, when I'm able to, especially if it's connected to another person, if they've asked me to complete a task or if they need me immediately, I just get a lot of gratification out of, you know, being able to help other people and being there for them.
Bill Dippel (21:00.351)
Sure.
Sarah Collins (21:07.024)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (21:19.202)
being able to answer questions or get the answer for them. Yeah, I love that. I also, you know, my connection with other people is super important. So part of the responsibility of me coming to the team was business development as well. kind of part of the advertising marketing side was going out to events and I was willing to do those things, but it was a brand new industry for me. So I didn't know anyone. So
Sarah Collins (21:38.256)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (21:46.906)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (21:48.302)
I kind of put the challenge on myself. wasn't really internally in the company. It wasn't a big push, but he said, if you're willing to do those things, that's great. Go out, meet some people. But for me personally, it was a big challenge. And I thought, you know, if I'm going to ingrain myself in this industry and I'm going to learn these things, I need to meet these people and I need to get out and build relationships. And so I put it as a personal challenge and I started going to all these events and doing all these things.
really putting myself out there and it honestly couldn't have gone better. I mean, it's so it's hard. It's very hard. cause I am more of an introverted person, but, I will say that making myself do those things I've, I felt so many of my strengths kind of blossom from, from doing those things. Yes.
Bill Dippel (22:35.987)
Yeah, yeah, and and we actually met at a you and I met at one of the events that you were there to meet people at and I we were literally at a local AAA baseball game and I was sitting in it with a group of people and We were standing around laughing and talking and Becky came in and she goes I know you Aren't you you're aren't you Bill Dippel and I went yes. Yes, I am but I'm sorry. I'm just total disadvantage
Becky Murway (22:43.916)
Yes.
Bill Dippel (23:06.051)
And instantly all of the, you know, the harmony, relator, all the empathy, all of that, the people skills popped up. She says, I know about your coaching. I've talked to some people. I've done this. I'd be interested in talking to you about. And I thought, absolutely, let's let's talk about working at frame or let's talk about working with your group. And she goes, no, I'm talking about me. I want to I want to get together and talk about why I do some of the things I do and where we go. And I think we can be.
Becky Murway (23:15.574)
You
Bill Dippel (23:35.615)
really effective with that. And that was a year ago, tad over a year ago. So and we just blossomed from there. And again, what I keep hearing from you and I love so much in working with you, Becky, is the smattering of all of the blue, the relationship themes that are interspersed with the purple, all of the executing themes that you have, have allowed you. it's been a beautiful coaching moment with me.
Becky Murway (23:39.372)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (24:01.44)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure.
Bill Dippel (24:05.417)
to be able to pivot back and forth onto those and get you to see, man I really do mean these things for these people from a relationship point of view and I need to up those at these relationship moments and then there are times I need to execute and I can flop and think about moving those. We're never one theme at one time. We're never one thing. We're not just responsibility. We are a variety of these themes but
Becky Murway (24:24.366)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (24:32.113)
your ability to think about them and focus on them. And we've done some goal-setting work and we've done a lot of work around which way you're moving forward that week or that period of time. And then we've associated and looked at the results. That has been really rewarding for me as a coach because you're a dream client. You do the work, you show up and you come back. So in that relationship, do you feel that pivoting between relationship
Becky Murway (24:50.732)
No
Bill Dippel (24:59.695)
and executing has been incredibly fruitful for you as much as I think I've seen it in you.
Becky Murway (25:05.356)
Yeah, I think the great part is, especially working with Bill is, and I know how important coaching is specifically to me. And I think, you know, I would be a proponent to say everyone should have it. I just really enjoy it. I, what's hard is that I have such a high responsibility is that I just stay focused. I'm just focused, focused. what, can I do better? What can I keep going? You know, and I get lost in, in congratulating myself.
Bill Dippel (25:19.12)
Shucks. shucks.
Sarah Collins (25:24.464)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (25:33.004)
Like feeling good about the things that I've accomplished. And I just don't think about those things. I just keep trudging forward. And so what coaching has helped me do is take a step back and see like, wow, look how far I've come. act, you know, this is really helping me or, or I'm able now to point out my strengths and, know, actually reflect on those and say, Hey, this is great. You know, part of, part of the goals that we set is, you know, at the end, have some type of celebration.
Sarah Collins (25:38.402)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (25:59.5)
You know, don't just get stuck in the weeds here. You got to think about these things. So Bill's great about, you know, not only holding me accountable, which I need for sure, but also saying, hey, look at what you've done. So I really enjoy that part.
Sarah Collins (25:59.524)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (26:16.922)
love what you're pointing out. I hear so many things that I hear with responsibility people. One, you have that combination of responsibility and achiever. I always like to hook in on it because I find our responsibility achiever people like you're describing Becky, they're yes people. Yes, I can do it. Yes, I can do it. And the thing is when we use our strengths, it's not just that we're good at it. It makes us feel alive, right? It gives us energy and enthusiasm.
Becky Murway (26:33.966)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (26:44.048)
So those responsibility achiever people, responsibility, I like to say is that external hook. If I tell you I'm going to do it, I will. And achiever is that internal hook. I want to do as much as possible. I want to check the list for me. So if you have both of those, you are a powerhouse at getting things done. I always tell my folks with high responsibility, high achiever, you're probably some of the most valuable, most productive, most high performing individuals on your team and in your organization without a doubt.
Bill Dippel (26:54.943)
Ooh, that's good.
Becky Murway (26:57.078)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (27:13.663)
There's the thing I'm stealing today from Sarah is the internal extra. I haven't, I've never heard that one. I love it. So go on.
Sarah Collins (27:16.243)
Yeah, there it is.
Becky Murway (27:16.379)
Hahaha.
Sarah Collins (27:19.746)
And, but what I find is that is heavy AF for my friends who say yes, yes, yes, because they get a high and a charge of I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it. And I like to tell people, if we have a scale of one to 10, one being doing nothing and 10 being doing everything, my high responsibility, high achiever people want to be as close as 10 to possible. And I'm like, listen, I can't tell you to go to a six because I know you're going to be like, sure. Yeah. Right. Sarah.
Bill Dippel (27:25.631)
Ha
Becky Murway (27:26.094)
Bye.
Sarah Collins (27:50.064)
But what if I told you try to keep it at an eight and a half? Now here's the other thing you need to know. Your scale is different than mine because your 10 is my 15. Cause I don't have this powerhouse mix. Right? And so you're already, you already being at an eight and a half is my 12, right? Is most people's 12. And the thing about it is if you sit at a 10, which you love and you get that little like four, you will break.
Becky Murway (27:59.982)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (28:08.27)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (28:19.246)
Like you cannot sustain it because you are a person, right? Like you're an actual human being flesh and blood. And there might be seasons where you push closer to 10, but I'm always telling those responsibility achiever people, just try for an eight and a half. I know you're probably gonna push to nine, but like you're going full throttle so much. It just is not as sustainable. And I find, and Becky, I wanna know first of all, if this resonates with you, but I find that my responsibility people just,
Becky Murway (28:37.934)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (28:48.484)
they don't want to disappoint anyone, right? I don't want to disappoint anyone and I like doing it and I can do it. But the truth is if you're not disappointing anyone, you are disappointing yourself or you will be right because you just can't keep doing that.
Bill Dippel (29:05.267)
Now I was going to jump right in on that and say, I will not fail anyone, even to the tune of failing myself.
Sarah Collins (29:11.599)
Yes.
Exactly. And the fact about that is you might think that's fine. I'll fail myself. It's no problem because I can work from the bottom of the barrel. Like I'm scrappy. I'll get it done. Right. I know these people you just go. That is not sustainable because if you are constantly prioritizing other people's priorities over your own or getting the things done, even if it helps you like it can help our career and we look good. But really it's a detriment to us in a way. Eventually it will catch up with you.
Becky Murway (29:14.807)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (29:22.51)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (29:43.032)
Right? Because like you're only human. And I think that is where it can get scary. And we need that O line like we talked about in the beginning. Or I usually just say to people, you have to have boundaries around what you say yes to. You have to protect that. Otherwise, you're burning. You will burn out eventually. So Becky, as responsibility number one, achiever number four, does this resonate?
Becky Murway (29:58.622)
Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And based on the theme, know, responsibility is heavy AF. I completely agree with that.
Sarah Collins (30:13.324)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (30:17.108)
It's a lot of weight. You always feel like, or I always feel like I'm making, I put this on myself that I want to make the right decision for others. And that is not a healthy way of using my strength, I found. Bill and I have worked through this. You know, learning to put responsibility a little bit on the back burner. And even harmony sometimes, because harmony is my number two.
Sarah Collins (30:30.03)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (30:46.542)
Um, so that some of the other strengths can come forward. Um, you know, I recently had a situation where I was going to a social event. I was inviting someone with me. And at the last minute I said, you know what? The person that I was inviting, why don't you just stay home? I don't know if this is going to be a great thing. This might happen. This might happen. That's, know, many, many things that were going through my brain. I was just like, you know what? This might not be the best place for you. And then when I got to the event, I might, I
I scanned the room and my immediate thought was, gosh, I let my responsibility completely overtake this situation. And everything was perfect and that person would have had an amazing time. And I don't know what I was thinking. I just was spiraling and my responsibility and, you know, just certain times like that where, or, you you put too much on your plate or you say yes to too many things and it's, it's all in good. You're, trying to do the best thing you can.
Sarah Collins (31:42.394)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (31:44.268)
But it's just, you you, you put a lot of weight on, on making sure that other people have a good experience or making sure that you're, you know, taking care of everything for everybody. And sometimes you got to take a step back. it just gets, we, we, the boundaries are like, I've never in my life, you know, I've known about boundaries, obviously, but boundaries have never been a thing for me. I'm just like, I don't need that.
Sarah Collins (32:11.631)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (32:12.206)
I do all the things, I'm good. But yeah.
Bill Dippel (32:14.783)
Well, and we did talk about that social event a bit and I know particularly when we were wrapping it up and had talked about what the outcome was and what the outcome should have been, it was heavy as fudge for you, right? You were sitting with me and we were going over the depth of I don't know why this burdened me so.
Becky Murway (32:30.382)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (32:40.761)
I my responsibility was so high that I didn't want to introduce some people to a situation that in the in the wildest the craziest of situations might have been a little uncomfortable for them rather than No
Becky Murway (32:40.909)
Right.
Sarah Collins (32:40.975)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (32:54.604)
Right. I think also you, you, sorry, Bill, you, you, tend to get blind in the situation. Like my responsibility took over so much that, and why it ended up being so heavy, that particular situation is because I realized it was bigger than that. I realized that I have been in many situations just going through things in my head so much.
That it just blinds you to, you know, I consider myself a decently smart person and I have a lot of tools that I can use. I, I read a lot of self-help books. do coaching. I, know, there's, there's many tools that I've put in my life that I could, could use in this situation. But in that particular situation, none of it mattered. I just blanked out and I was like only focused on, you know, all the anxiety and the stuff that comes with that responsibility strength. so in that moment.
Sarah Collins (33:27.248)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (33:51.95)
Nothing was going to work. I mean, I could have called Bill. He pointed that out, but I didn't. So what I think in that when Bill and I, you know, unpacked it, basically I was like, you know what? I can't believe that I didn't use the moment that I realized I have this tool available. I have this tool available. I could have just picked up the phone. I could have asked questions. There's so many things I could have done, but you're just completely blinded to it. And I realized how much that responsibility.
just took over my life. And sometimes your strengths can work against you. So I'm so much more aware now of how, and Bill and I have worked a lot about this, putting that, making sure that you're organizing your strengths, bringing some of those ones that are three, four, and five up to the top and trying to push those up a little bit when you need that help.
Sarah Collins (34:27.141)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (34:44.794)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (34:49.412)
Yeah. And I love this example you're providing because it keys in for me on one of the things I also see with responsibility is you're overcompensating for other people, right? Like doing things and like in this instance telling this person, don't even come. you know, and what that then does is it robs people.
Becky Murway (35:05.848)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (35:14.71)
of learning and experiencing things. And responsibility can do that because responsibility can not want to delegate. It's just easier if I do it. I know how to do it. I won't mess it up. I'll get it done. I can handle the mountain. I'll give that person the molehill. And then you're robbing them, right, of learning, of doing, of experiencing. And that's...
Becky Murway (35:17.198)
Yep.
Becky Murway (35:24.835)
Right.
Yeah.
Becky Murway (35:35.291)
Right. Well, and even in my professional life, the owner of our business, we recently had a conversation. he said, because he knows me now, and I'm very much like him, and we are the people that like to take on everything. And so he had literally written quite a few things on the board, or basically different positions in a company, like operations, marketing.
admin, you know, this, that, and he says, pick one. You know, he's, doing this exercise with me and I'm like, I know where this is headed. And he's like, you really like, you're really great at, you know, this, this, this, and this, but if you could only do one, pick that. I'm like, but I don't want to like, don't make me do that. Cause he's like, I know you like to do all the things. And, and that's what's really hard is, is what his point was is.
Sarah Collins (36:04.634)
Hmm.
Bill Dippel (36:21.491)
Ha
Becky Murway (36:29.164)
let's have you focus on this and then let's delegate. And for me, delegating is like a bad word. It's like, I don't know, I don't trust well. I'd rather do it all myself. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (36:33.081)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (36:40.012)
Absolutely. And that's that because you're so good at doing things. I see this happen with people as they transition from an individual contributor to a leader, manager role. If that responsibility is really high, that's where it can get us into trouble because we have to start learning how to delegate. And it can be hard when you're the one carrying everything, you know?
Bill Dippel (36:42.324)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (37:00.714)
Right.
Bill Dippel (37:04.199)
Yeah, and in Becky's case, I would say the things we're working on now and moving towards is how do we re aim? We don't move. We don't remove responsibility and in her case restorative out and not use it. It's number restorative being number three for her. We actually re aim them. So now as we're looking at it, who in that in the social situation, it was one phone call she could have made. It could have been to me.
Sarah Collins (37:23.482)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (37:31.15)
Mmm.
Bill Dippel (37:32.671)
could have been to one other person, she realized that and then boiled it down to that. So how do I aim responsibility to instead of swim in the moat and stay heavy as fudge, right, everywhere it's going, how do I get you to aim it at the one thing that will solve the problem? Because you're so good at that. Your restorative problem solving has solved it. All we need to do is get you to now responsibility activate on it. And she had the answers. She just
Sarah Collins (37:51.696)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (37:58.874)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (38:02.119)
she was so mired in the rest of it. And you mentioned the work component to how do I get you to look at the responsibility of delegation rather than the heaviness of delegation? How can the restorative problem solver in you bring up your empathy and your harmony with people that you're delegating to and then fuel the responsibility of getting everything done for Jeff and frame? Right. And that's that's our next step.
Becky Murway (38:13.719)
Right.
Sarah Collins (38:14.095)
Right.
Becky Murway (38:29.836)
Right. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (38:31.918)
Yeah. And I can hear, you know, the responsibility combined. We've talked about a little bit, the harmony, the empathy, the individualization. It's like at this point, you're using it to protect people. I'll just do it as if it's a gift to let someone do nothing, right? Like I'll do it. It's better for the business. It's better for me. And then that person doesn't have to do anything. And that's a good thing. Right. And it's like what Bill's saying is like shifting that to be like,
Becky Murway (38:48.152)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (38:57.744)
Using your individualization, your empathy or harmony to think what is best for that person? Well, that person needs opportunity to grow. So how do I take my my relationship building themes and my responsibility and think, you know, it's almost like put I sometimes it's like put on a hat that you are a leader who is helping this person grow. What do you know about this person? Where do they need to grow? Now it's your responsibility to get them there. And so but no, you go.
Becky Murway (39:22.668)
Right. I think with my, go ahead, Sarah. well, I was just going say with my background and what I'm learning about myself is that I am a good person to do the big picture thinking. So I need to let myself do that. I think what's hard is, and Bill and I have worked on this a lot, is I get a lot of satisfaction from checking the boxes. And when you're doing big picture thinking, there's not.
it's kind of nebulous, right? There's not a whole lot of structure around it. So what Bill and I have been working on is like, you know what, maybe if I do put structure around it, or maybe if I put some due dates on things that, hey, this is a big picture item, but let's break it down and let's put some check marks next to it and put it in a format that I can use to my benefit, right? So that way I don't get stuck in, there are certain things that,
Sarah Collins (40:04.271)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (40:19.67)
Hopefully this doesn't come off wrong, but like there's, there's admin tasks that are not necessarily what I particular should be, particularly should be doing in my role. Right. So I find myself putting contracts together and I find myself doing, you know, invoicing and I, and it's like, those things need to be done. And that's why I'm doing them. And that also fuels me because it's getting done, but it's not necessarily the best use of my abilities.
Sarah Collins (40:23.397)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (40:27.024)
should be doing. You shouldn't be wasting your time doing some of those things. I'll say it.
Sarah Collins (40:43.364)
Right.
Becky Murway (40:48.671)
So I need to work through that as a work in progress basically.
Sarah Collins (40:52.27)
And I just want to commend you, Becky, because you sought out coaching and the thing you're experiencing is something almost every person as they level up experiences. You know, you're not broken or wrong or doing it, you know, in a bad way. You're actually normal. And this is absolutely common to go from that. I see to a higher level, right? To being thinking bigger picture. It is a hard transition, especially when you've gotten to where you are because you were doing all the things right.
Becky Murway (41:14.552)
Right.
Becky Murway (41:21.41)
Yeah, yes.
Sarah Collins (41:21.956)
That's what usually we're so good at doing, doing, doing that we get elevated in our companies and then our roles switch. And I love this strategy Bill has you on because it's exactly what I do with a lot of the leaders and managers I work with is how, especially with your achiever, which likes the list, how do we put these nebulous things on a list? You know, so even when people are managing someone, it's like, well, I can't spend all my time talking to these people. I need to get stuff done. And it's like, well, now talking to these people is getting stuff done.
because that is your role. So you put it on the list, put it on the list that this week I need to spend 10 minutes talking to George and we can be talking about his pool and his backyard. And that is actually part of my job now, right? Or I need to spend the time thinking big picture. And I love the due date thing, because I think that for responsibility people can be huge and connecting the due date to someone else who's gonna check in on you.
Becky Murway (41:51.415)
Right.
Becky Murway (42:04.322)
Right. Yeah.
Becky Murway (42:16.718)
Absolutely, yep, that's what we just talked about. It's like, if I know that I'm being held accountable, I will absolutely be there and I will absolutely do it. I just need that other person to know, even if they don't even care about when it's due, I've told them that I will do it and then I'll make sure I get it done.
Sarah Collins (42:31.693)
Exactly.
Bill Dippel (42:34.045)
Yeah, and and some of the stuff with Becky has been I will drop everything because somebody asked me to do an administrative task because I said yes and all of a sudden it's like stop, hold on, right? We need to set some stuff up. some of the leading towards our dumpster fire question a bit here, Becky, I'm going to lead you. I'm going to lead you there because there's some good ones here that that that will step in and and the and our firework moment to will hit that in a moment. But our.
Sarah Collins (42:41.954)
yeah.
Becky Murway (42:46.391)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (43:02.207)
in the dumpster fire side, some of some of what we've experienced and worked with with Becky has been the really good parts have been getting her to see and understand where that responsibility is letting down other people, right? And you're not taking responsibility for the things that you should be taking responsibility for. That has been really fruitful with Becky. She also, I would say, is really receptive to the idea of
moving between her themes and understanding what she needs to ramp up. What has been tougher with Becky has been getting her to do accurate time budgeting and accurate ideals around long distance or even medium distance goal setting. Personally, I can't stand two year goal setting because I don't see it and I don't think most people do so I don't do it.
Sarah Collins (43:42.508)
you
Bill Dippel (43:56.083)
But even in the shorter, very shorter term goal setting, just give me the three we're going to work on this week. And how do we look at very accurate time budgeting? I would say your responsibility has dug in and fought me to say we're going we're not going to do some of these things. And I'm just curious, I could lead you into the dumpster fire comment on that. You want to touch on that from a dumpster fire component where you think responsibilities
Becky Murway (44:14.274)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (44:23.987)
been something you've had to fight against or is there a better dumpster fire moment that you want to highlight for us?
Becky Murway (44:30.338)
gosh. I think that the goal setting thing is definitely hard. I have found that my general thoughts around it when I first came into coaching were that I couldn't find anything that made, just felt like it was worth being a goal and working on for six weeks. It was like,
Sarah Collins (44:57.68)
Mmm.
Becky Murway (44:59.852)
Okay, well, if I want to start journaling, then just start journaling. Or if I want to start, if I want to change my calendar, just start to, why am I, why am I setting this as a six week goal or, however long we talked about it is like, it just seemed like a process that was like, didn't, didn't make sense to me. So, but once we started getting into it, it, it's the whole habit forming thing. It's
There's a lot of talking through things that we've gone through. mean, I, we unpacked a lot and, and going through the process, I think I understand it now. I just, I think the part of me that's like immediate gratification, you know, I just thought, well, I could just start doing this. But I think the whole process of asking the questions and making sure that what you're doing is right and why are you doing it? And all those things are super important.
Sarah Collins (45:46.437)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (45:56.122)
so I do feel that it's easier now for me to, to understand the whole goal setting process. It's still hard for me to, yeah, I still need help with the actual goals. Like what, what is it? How do I define the best goals for me to set for myself?
Sarah Collins (46:15.098)
You know what I hear at play here? think you're a ranger. You have a ranger at eight and a ranger. I find both a ranger and adaptability sometimes really struggle with goals. And especially because you have so many executing themes and you just do it like you're saying, you're like, well, if I don't need a goal, I'll just get it done. I'll just say, I'm going to do it. And I do it because that's how you operate and a ranger. I also hear your ranger. When I think about how you're saying, if someone comes and says, I need this test done, you're like going to do it.
Becky Murway (46:19.65)
What's that mean?
Becky Murway (46:23.694)
Hmm.
Becky Murway (46:42.606)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (46:42.98)
Right? And then your focus, it sounds like, can come in and you get it done. But that arranger is kind of loving that chaos of the moment, right? Cause that's what arranger does. Arranger loves to just like pick up doing this, now I'm doing this, now I'm doing this. And we're so good. I call it like coordinating chaos. And it can be like physical chaos or mental chaos, but they're just like, right? And
Becky Murway (47:03.99)
Yes. Well, you know, Bill and I have worked through the calendar thing, right? So previously when I owned a business for 10 years, it was, it was chaos. was mostly just three of us. it was all about what can we do to keep our clients happy? So every moment of the day was if the phone rang, we were available. If they needed something, we were available. If I needed to pay bills, I did that. If, know, it was all the things and I, it's probably because it's
10 plus years of doing that, it's just ingrained in who I am and I do thrive in it. I thrive in the chaos. And the more I try to organize my calendar, coming into this, we're a small business, but it's a more of a corporate side, right? I'm not the business owner any longer. I'm on the corporate side. And so allowing myself to organize my calendar and set certain goals and
Sarah Collins (47:51.024)
Bye.
Becky Murway (48:00.59)
the time, know, allowing myself the time. I know that our owner is very supportive of big picture thinking and giving yourself the time to set all those goals. However, it's me that's holding myself back. It's me that will not block the time on the calendar. Bill says it's not time management, it's you management, right? So it's like the time is the time available. You've got a chunk in your day.
Sarah Collins (48:14.767)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (48:22.096)
Mmm.
Becky Murway (48:26.882)
That's what it is, right? You've got to be able to tell yourself that you're going to hold true to what's set on your calendar and that that's not going to go anywhere. And you're going to take that time because spending two hours for me just thinking is like torture. Like I feel like I am zero productive at all.
Sarah Collins (48:49.656)
Yeah. Okay. I have some thoughts. First is I like to think of our strengths as muscles. So when we are born, we've got bigger, some are bigger muscles, right? And I find Achiever Responsibility, society loves those. As a child, you were probably so good at doing stuff and everyone was like, Becky, you're so smart. You're so good. And so those muscles get really big. And so it's like Achiever Responsibility don't really need more investment because you have, especially if you're American, we are like,
We love kids who do everything and get stuff done and get straight A's and do all those things, right? And so you've been pumping and investing in those. And so that's why they end up so big and strong that most of the time when we have clients with those, like, let's make those smaller. Those muscles are like hard as rocks. Can we do less investing in those? Different, different. And what I hear is 10 years in your business, your arranger muscle got really strong because you had to pivot.
Becky Murway (49:29.452)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (49:33.447)
We have a different gym workout for you today. Yes, yes.
Becky Murway (49:36.257)
Yes.
Becky Murway (49:42.86)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (49:44.282)
doing this, now we're doing this, doing this, right? And so it's like that muscle was able to get invested in to where it's growing really big. And now you're in a different setting, you have to use it differently, right? And so I also think you were saying like, what were you just saying that you hated doing? I'm losing my train of thought. The calendar, the blocking out time. Okay, you.
Becky Murway (49:46.53)
Yes.
Becky Murway (49:51.234)
Yes.
Becky Murway (49:54.839)
Yes.
Becky Murway (50:03.499)
the calendar, like blocking out time? Yeah.
Sarah Collins (50:08.686)
you will have one strategic thinking theme and its input. What I'm thinking is when you are doing higher level thinking, maybe it's not doing it alone. You have four relationship building themes. I wonder if when you're doing higher level thinking, you need a partner that's gonna key into your responsibility and your relationship building themes. So you say, okay, I'm gonna take two hours at a coffee shop and I'm gonna bring this key person and we are going to brainstorm these ideas together.
Does that feel like it would be more enjoyable and less torturous for you, so you're still getting the thing done, but you're doing it with an accountability partner who you get a bounce ideas off of?
Becky Murway (50:47.798)
Yeah. So Sarah, you must be a coach, I'm guessing, because Bill and I have absolutely talked this exact same thing. It's, I feel like I might've talked myself into it and Bill was like, yep, you figured it out because yeah, for me, it's absolutely like I get stuck in a bubble and I feel like I have to bounce ideas off of people. And that's when I thrive even. And I've told some people this before. It's like,
Bill Dippel (50:51.694)
Hahaha
Bill Dippel (51:02.877)
Yep, yep, let's build it.
Becky Murway (51:16.566)
I literally just talking through something. If I can just use you as a bouncing board, you don't have to say a word sometimes. I will. And even with Bill, like I will talk myself through something so hard that I figured out the whole thing and you haven't even had to say anything. And sometimes, and, it's something that I've been working on for a while. And the second that I'm able to just get it out and, and have someone else hear it. yeah, it's totally true. It works.
Wonders for me and I definitely need to keep that in mind when I'm doing that strategic thinking and I think what's hard is, you The the person that that would make the most sense to do that is is our business owner Jeff and he Has a schedule that is also chaos So I do feel like some of them my responsibility is to do those things on my own and that's what's hard is we need and we're growing and we're trying to you know work on these things and so
part of getting more structure in the business and more people in the right seats is that he will have more time to do that strategic thinking with me. And I'm hoping that that becomes more cohesive, because I do really need that.
Sarah Collins (52:31.034)
Well, and I also hear you falling into the same trap. I mean, I don't know anything about your business, but you're making an assumption that if you right now were to ask for some of his time to do the strategic thinking that you would be burdening him. The second story is that he would say, my gosh, I am so grateful. I would love to carve out a long lunch with you to do this because I think you're brilliant. And this is a very important part of our business. And there's nothing I would love more than to sit down and do this with you.
Becky Murway (52:50.178)
Right.
Sarah Collins (53:00.333)
That could also be true.
Becky Murway (53:01.873)
Absolutely true. It is true. And I, yeah.
Bill Dippel (53:03.615)
And I'm just laughing because you're getting you're basically Sarah boiling down the you know every six week program I've worked with her to you know a finite one hour podcast because we have spent a lot of time strategizing how to work and make sure she's getting the appropriate amount of time with with her boss and how that looks. We've even worked on upping some of her her female social circle.
Sarah Collins (53:11.803)
You
Becky Murway (53:15.811)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (53:31.589)
And making sure that that is an input output for her right because as you pointed out so definitely and quickly as well that she needs that she has to have those and in relation to our to our debate question today that Responsibility is heavy and she needs to have an outlet some something to bounce off of it's what drew her to the coaching side with me and it's
Sarah Collins (53:50.394)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (53:58.857)
draws her and fuels her in her current working environment in such a powerful way that the times they do talk, he totally values her input and she will routinely come to me and say, well, this was fantastic. This went so very well and it was great getting this out and making this happen. And then we strategize, how do we get more of that? How do we make sure we're there? How is that fueling where you go?
Sarah Collins (54:09.509)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (54:18.62)
Yes. And Sarah, to your point, also, when I owned the business, I found a local group of business owners that put together, it's called the Entrepreneurs' Organization, and they, yeah, EO, so it's global, but it's our local chapter, and.
Sarah Collins (54:35.12)
Yeah, EO.
Becky Murway (54:40.738)
they were doing an accelerator program and asked me to join as a small business that wanted to accelerate in different ways. And it provided various coaching opportunities and various opportunities to get together with your peers and just bounce ideas. And I had always said, I found my people with that because these are people that love to talk business, which I could do all day long.
Sarah Collins (55:01.668)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (55:05.93)
And they want to help and they want to share stories and experience share. And you just grow so much just being able to talk to other people. So it definitely started with that. And I realized that that was something that was really important to me. And then when I didn't have that going into this new part of my career, I really felt like I wasn't getting anywhere. I mean, I was doing my job and I was super happy.
but I, I approached, Jeff and I said, you know, I really do better with coaching. Like I really feel that I need that in my life. And he was like, yes, I completely agree. He's a proponent of coaching himself. So to have that support and, and be able to get back into it and, and be able to bounce ideas is definitely been a huge help.
Sarah Collins (55:55.92)
Yeah, and I think those people out there listening who probably have high responsibility or are working with someone with high responsibility, I think coaches can be hugely important for you because responsibility often needs that anchor of another person who's holding them accountable. So if you have a coach who is saying, did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? And you know, okay, I got to meet with my coach next week. It can be a great trigger to do the things you need to do.
Becky Murway (56:06.318)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (56:11.832)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (56:21.454)
And this is what I mean. You're already doing your to-do list. If you have high responsibility, you're probably doing good at work, but you as a human being to level up, to leverage yourself or to help your mental health because as Bill said in the beginning, when we talk about responsibility, we talk about burnout. And so to help you as a human, a coach can be hugely impactful. And how great for you, Becky, to not only know that, but to have a business owner
Becky Murway (56:25.934)
Yes. Yes.
Sarah Collins (56:50.756)
who sees the value in that too. So Becky, we've talked a lot about how responsibility is heavy. Tell me, and you can use any of your strengths. When have your strengths been a firework moment? Success, like where do you feel like, yes, this is just firing on all cylinders, 4th of July.
Becky Murway (56:55.726)
Let me see. Well, here, give me a second, because I know I made a no on something. It works. Yes, I make all the notes.
Sarah Collins (57:18.03)
Of course she made a note, right? She's got five, five executing themes, eight in the top 13.
Bill Dippel (57:19.359)
Of course she did, right? She has a list of her lists. Yes, it's so good.
Becky Murway (57:26.464)
Yes. OK. Well, I put down that my top strengths, so responsibility, harmony, achiever, and individualization, and I threw Relator in there, have just helped me so much in my career transition. mean, never, I didn't see the transition coming, really.
just wanted to find a business owner that was going to appreciate me and, you know, coming from owning your own business, it's quite a transition to not be that person anymore and to go into a single role. And it was very scary. And I think that my strengths have just really helped me see that there's things that I can do that are hard.
challenges that I've taken on over the last two years that I'm super proud of myself for doing. I've realized that one of my strengths as a person is relating with other people and being able to build good relationships. And I was doing that in my business without having a clue what I was actually doing. I was just doing what I do. I was just, you know, I'd have people say, my gosh, this was the best experience. The other experiences I've had were
like so horrible and I would just kind of think, who are these people that they're meeting that like I'm just being who I am, right? And then now translating that into what I do now and going out to events and meeting people, I've had the same experience and Jeff has come back to me and said, you know, I've heard that your strength is getting out in the community.
Sarah Collins (58:58.66)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (59:10.16)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Murway (59:17.224)
And I want you to do more of that because people are enjoying that and they're coming back to me and saying, hey, it's so good to see Becky out in the community. she was doing this and I saw her at this place. it's learning about people individually, that whole individualization part. I think that for me, the fireworks moment is more about me learning that I am doing good.
Like I, I am using my strengths and I have these things that are actually making an impact. And I think before I was just kind of going along and like, this is just, I'm trudging. I'm, this is just what I need to do, but actually realizing that. You know, people are saying that this is a good thing and, and I am this type of person that should be doing this. it makes me feel really welcomed, especially in this new industry.
Sarah Collins (59:47.162)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (01:00:15.615)
So good. So good. And interestingly, when she talked about the themes in her firework moment, she glossed over restorative, the problem solving theme. She talked about all of the other ones. And it's so funny. And we I know I coach around this a lot. I have to assume you see this a lot, Sarah, how often we hear the thing that they so frequently don't get, because I just heard.
Sarah Collins (01:00:15.662)
Yeah, that recognition is so important, absolutely.
Becky Murway (01:00:18.818)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:00:27.512)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:00:41.38)
Yeah, absolutely.
Bill Dippel (01:00:42.591)
problem solving, problem solving, problem solving, right? All of it's there. And she's like, nah, that's not one that I know that I hit. And how frequently we have to work with them and go, that's all problem solving. That is, you're executing it. It is.
Sarah Collins (01:00:46.821)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:00:56.688)
because that's on the bridge of her nose. She doesn't even realize she's doing it because it sits so close to home.
Becky Murway (01:00:59.214)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (01:01:01.191)
It's so good. Yeah. And so good for you, Becky. And those are that's a wonderful firework moment for you. I absolutely love that you're there and that you're you're accessing it, seeing it, knowing it. I would give you another firework moment. And that was being brave enough and smart enough to get some coaching, whether it was me or with Sarah today, who clearly out coaches me all day long, whatever coaching way you're getting that again, there's a problem solving component to that. There's something I know I need to work on.
Sarah Collins (01:01:11.887)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:01:16.549)
Yeah.
Becky Murway (01:01:16.823)
Sure. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:01:29.006)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (01:01:29.945)
I have responsibilities to my son, right, as a single parent to Jeff and at Frame, to a lot of other people, and how can I be better and step into that role and make that happen, Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:01:42.436)
Yeah. I love hearing your stories, Becky. And I have one last metaphor for Becky and for our folks listening with responsibility. So I want you to think, I find that my responsibility folks often act as a lost and found bin. Anything someone drops or forgets or doesn't pick up, my responsibility people come in there and like, I got it. I got it. I'll do these things, right? We need to stop doing that.
Becky Murway (01:02:05.585)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:02:07.48)
I know you want to, I know you can, and I know you'll get all the lost and found bins to the places they need to go. But instead, in order to embrace the boundaries, I want you to start thinking of yourself as a carry-on bag. Okay? You know, the carry-on bags, they gotta be small. They making these planes smaller. I gotta fit it either in that little bin above my head or in front of my seat. So I have to be selective about what I'm picking up and putting in my carry-on bags.
Becky Murway (01:02:19.657)
You
Becky Murway (01:02:24.193)
Yes.
Becky Murway (01:02:29.256)
Right.
Sarah Collins (01:02:34.392)
And that means what do I need to get me to my destination? What are my goals? Right? What do I need? So when you are feeling the weight of responsibility, think, I am being a lost and found Ben. I am just doing everything for everyone. And now tomorrow I'm going to go to work and I'm going to be a carry on bag. And I'm going to really think, where am I going on this trip? What are my goals? And then what do I actually need to pick up to put in this little bag to go with me?
Becky Murway (01:03:05.011)
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and just reframe, you know, just every morning I try to think, how can I be the most effective?
Bill Dippel (01:03:06.26)
You
Sarah Collins (01:03:06.713)
Does that help?
Becky Murway (01:03:17.472)
and not get caught in those little tasks that, you know, consume my time.
Sarah Collins (01:03:22.276)
Yeah, because a yes to anything is a no to something else. So as our responsibility, we love to say yes. Yes, I'll do it. Yes, I'll do it. Yes, I'll do it. Yes, I'll do it. You are saying no to something. And if you can figure out what are those all those yeses say no to, you may be able to reshift your priorities. And then I think the biggest thing is those boundaries. And that is hard. And I do think having a coach or a great mentor, guide, friend, somebody
Bill Dippel (01:03:22.484)
Hmm.
Becky Murway (01:03:35.192)
us.
Sarah Collins (01:03:50.458)
who you can communicate with regularly to help you think about what do those actual boundaries look for you? Because boundaries is a great word to say, it's a great thing to like placate, but like in real life, what does it mean? And it's a lot harder to do it than to say it, especially for those of you with that strong responsibility, because you can do it, but should you? Should you?
Becky Murway (01:04:09.101)
Absolutely.
Bill Dippel (01:04:14.71)
Yeah. Well, Becky, I again been an absolute joy to work with you for the year, year plus that we've been doing this, watching your growth, watching you expand what you know about yourself, how you're stepping into both parenthood, dating, a dating life, the real world transition as a business owner to an employee.
that means something to that's a completely different role for you in a completely different field. All of those things have been so rewarding for me to be able to work with you on and talk, talk you through it and make that happen. And we absolutely love that you joined us today to talk about responsibility. I think the debate is over. It is heavy AF, right? I don't know that we've come to any other conclusion. I think it's heavy for Sarah and I too. We, you know, it drove us
Becky Murway (01:04:59.854)
Yes.
Bill Dippel (01:05:10.419)
to create the podcast. It's driven us to...you heard some of our pre-chatter about we're changing things up because our responsibility is to make it as good as we can make it for the coaching community and our arsonists. So again, thank you very, very much for being here today and taking that hour out of your time and tell Jeff, thanks for having you on loan today. We appreciate that. Yeah. Excellent. All right.
Becky Murway (01:05:33.205)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, thank you guys. It's been fun.
Bill Dippel (01:05:38.249)
Well with that we're going to bow out. Thank you guys so much for listening. We're excited to be back on season two and we will talk soon.
Sarah Collins (01:05:47.504)
Bye!