What If You Hate Your Strengths? with Jenn Werner
Ever looked at your CliftonStrengths results and thought, “Ugh, I don’t like these?” You’re not alone.
In this honest and energizing episode, Sarah Collins and Bill Dippel sit down with special guest Jen Werner to explore what it really takes to embrace your strengths—especially when they don’t show up the way you expected. Jen shares her personal journey from resisting her strengths to recognizing their power, and the trio dives into the messy, beautiful work of self-awareness, coaching, and growth.You’ll hear real talk about what it’s like to dislike your results, why individualization matters, and how your strengths shape (and sometimes strain) your personal and professional relationships. Whether you’re a coach, a team leader, or someone still figuring out how to own what makes you unique, this episode will leave you feeling seen—and maybe even a little more proud of your quirks.
🔥 7 Takeaways
Strengths culture doesn’t happen by accident.
Ambassadors and in-house coaches are game-changers.
You can’t outsource culture. Bringing in a coach is powerful, but without internal commitment and leadership modeling, strengths won’t transform your team.
Skeptics aren’t the problem—silence is.
Professional development needs consistency.
Curiosity is your secret weapon. When team dynamics get sticky, leading with curiosity over criticism builds trust and opens doors.
One-size-fits-all doesn’t work. Strengths-based development is most effective when it’s tailored to the team’s culture, goals, and internal rhythms.
💥 Sound Bites
“You can’t call it culture after one workshop.”
“Awareness is the spark. Application is the fire.”
“Ambassadors make the magic last.”
“If your team’s growth is outsourced, it’s not sustainable.”
“The goal isn’t to make everyone a coach—it’s to make coaching normal.”
“A good ambassador doesn’t have all the answers—they ask better questions.”
“Curiosity creates culture. Criticism shuts it down.”
“Skeptics can actually sharpen the system—if you let them talk.”
“One workshop is a start, not a solution.”
“Strengths work isn’t a checklist—it’s a commitment.”
“Don’t expect culture change if no one’s following up.”
“If we’re not building muscle, we’re just giving pep talks.”
“Leaders don’t need to be the loudest—they need to be the most consistent.”
“A coaching culture means strengths live in the day-to-day, not just the kickoff.”
“If you want strengths to stick, give the work to the people—not just the facilitator.”
Bill's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Individualization
2) Developer
3) Activator
4) Woo
5) Restorative
6) Empathy
7) Harmony
8) Connectedness
9) Relator
10) Learner
Sarah's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Positivity
2) Woo
3) Communication
4) Harmony
5) Activator
6) Developer
7) Input
8) Individualization
9) Responsibility
10) Arranger
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Transcript
Bill Dippel (00:02.071)
Sarah Collins in the house. There she is.
Sarah Collins (00:03.59)
It's so good to be back in the podcast chair with you and a guest. just doing it, doing it, doing it big.
Bill Dippel (00:13.792)
I am loving season two already and we're only like a couple of quickie episodes in today. Today we'll be jumping in a little deeper. We're going to, we're going to come back to including a guest today. Super excited with our guests. But before I jump into all that, like before we get into season two and how much we love it and what today's is quick question for you, Sarah. Hey, just
Sarah Collins (00:18.798)
I know.
Hmm?
Sarah Collins (00:37.316)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (00:39.832)
From a casual point of view, what do you think is missing from the way most people talk about CliftonStrengths in general? It's a theme that we're kind of hitting on. What do you think is missing?
Sarah Collins (00:48.408)
Okay. I, what I am always telling my clients is the report is a guide to help us learn about ourselves, but we are not letting the paper tell us who we are. We are telling the world who we are because I think sometimes people are like, okay, this is exactly who I am. It's told me. And so then if they don't agree with something, they're like real, you know, like they just think like this piece of paper is.
the truth and it's like, no, no, no, no, honey. First of all, this is a self assessment. You took it based on you and it's going to give us great language to help us understand ourselves. But at the end of the day, you have to do the work to interpret, interpret who you are based on what you learned from the report. And then you share that with the world. We're not going to let a little piece of paper tell us who we are and try to fit into that.
Bill Dippel (01:43.288)
Right. I love it. I and I love Interpreter. I'm going to I'm going to run with Interpreter for a couple of minutes because. Our role. English English English speak good I yet so I would I mean, mine's a little bit of a riff on yours somewhat, but I think the one thing when I'm coaching in groups that we always do that makes an impact.
Sarah Collins (01:47.814)
Yeah
Jen Werner (01:48.582)
You
Sarah Collins (01:51.517)
Words are hard sometimes. Oh man, you know words, yeah. So anyways, Bill, what about you? is, what, what?
Bill Dippel (02:13.526)
And I don't think we talk about it enough, maybe upfront, because it does make a difference. And that is the uniqueness of the report for everybody that takes it. So my number one individualization is a completely different write-up for anyone else that has individualization in the number one spot with very limited exceptions, but it is unique. so whenever I'm in a group, I always have people read their top.
Sarah Collins (02:24.55)
Mmm.
Bill Dippel (02:43.234)
box and then have someone else in the room read the top box of the same theme in the same spot or really close to it if we can find it and inevitably you see the other person trying to read along and going no I'm looking in the wrong spot no I'm again this is not a canned report we don't we don't put it in front of you and I want you to assume and the logical outcome of this is I don't want you to think context is context is context if you see it on someone else's team grid
they're doing the same thing. I am because they aren't, they're doing it and feeding, think a bit into your, your theme there. You can't just see it and know what it is. We got to get you to dive into it. We have to get you to understand it. I think you can do that fairly effectively on your own, without a coach, if you want to put a lot of time into it and you want to get it, go to Gallup and do a lot of research or you can supercharge it. You can bring a coach in, you can write, there's, there's ways to do that. but.
Sarah Collins (03:15.579)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (03:25.187)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (03:43.086)
I just think that blanket ideal that many assessments do like Myers-Briggs where I'm an ENFP. So ENFPs all do this, right? And that I think that carries over into people's understanding of Gallup and CliftonStrengths. And that is something we have to back up to break the philosophy on rather than that. So I think that's missing in how unique and incredibly individualized the report is.
Sarah Collins (03:54.214)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (04:11.834)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I would like to introduce our guest, Jen Werner today and see if she wants to chime in on this because Jen, she was just going to do it herself. Bill, like context clues, Sarah, context clues.
Bill Dippel (04:19.126)
Actually, think Jen was just gonna do it herself. think she was, I think she was, I saw her. She was loaded for bear. I'm ready.
Jen Werner (04:20.852)
do. I do.
Jen Werner (04:27.606)
I was because I was thinking exactly what you said, Bill, about reading that individualized report and that first paragraph. What I also love to do is have them read the actual description from Gallup, the normal canned, everybody's achiever and it all looks like this, and then read your own and see how different that is. And then I love your idea of having...
the two people who have it in the room read it and how different those are because how cool is that to see like, ooh, look how different I am from like the canned response, you know, that like Myers-Briggs type, this is what everyone is versus someone else in the room too. I love that. I didn't introduce myself. Did you want me to do that?
Bill Dippel (05:09.123)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (05:11.738)
Well, I love that you responded to the question, but now that we have covered that first question, yes, please.
Bill Dippel (05:14.978)
No, I just want a random third voice, which I think is perfect.
Jen Werner (05:15.167)
yeah.
Jen Werner (05:18.934)
Jay, happy to be your rando.
Bill Dippel (05:24.002)
So let's get some introduction. So today on our show, we are overjoyed, as always, when our guests show up and we are extra happy today that the lovely coach, somebody we've worked with in the past, we have actually been fortunate to be a guest on her, I should say her podcast with her co-host, Chad. So today, thank you very much, Jen Warner, for coming on the show.
Jen Werner (05:52.887)
Thanks guys, it's so good to be here. I'm excited to be on your show because you guys brought the energy on ours. And so I was super excited to come in and share. you know, like Bill said, I'm also a strengths focused coach. I like to help people discover who they are and find their unique value in the world. Because I'm sick of trying to fit in. I'm sick of others trying to fit in and be someone else. I say, embrace who you are and be uniquely you.
Sarah Collins (05:59.099)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (06:15.661)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (06:23.374)
Nice, nice. Well, while you're at that, you want to, can you hit us with your, your top 10, maybe your top five, top 10? Yes. We're just curious so that as people are listening, they're going to hear it come out in you. I know you to be a little salty. So I'm loving, let's see where the saltiness comes from.
Sarah Collins (06:23.714)
I love that.
Jen Werner (06:31.443)
sure.
Jen Werner (06:36.872)
The saltiness comes, yes. So number one is responsibility. And then achiever. Belief is where the salty comes from, for sure. Deliberative at number four. Activator at number five. Consistency, we're going to round out 10. So consistency, adaptability, relator, maximizer, empathy.
Bill Dippel (06:50.286)
you
Sarah Collins (06:50.788)
Mmm.
Sarah Collins (07:07.058)
my gosh, I cannot wait to get into our question today. Season two is the great strengths debate. So we've got a burning question many people have and I can't wait to talk to Jen about it. And I also can't wait to talk about, I always say on this show and with all my clients, there are no strengths that are opposites. Everyone can have any mix of strengths, but here Jen is proving it. Deliberative and activator, boom. Consistency and adaptability, boom.
Jen Werner (07:25.035)
Hmm.
Jen Werner (07:30.23)
And following that, yes. Yep.
Bill Dippel (07:34.446)
Bye.
Sarah Collins (07:35.67)
This is what I love is because people think like it's not possible and we know it is because we see people like Jen with these two seemingly or four seemingly very, very different strengths, just like bam, bam, bam, bam. wow. I can't wait to get into it.
Jen Werner (07:49.045)
Yes. Do you suppose that has something to do with me being a Gemini? Maybe?
Bill Dippel (07:51.981)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (07:55.688)
my gosh, the twin.
Bill Dippel (08:00.226)
Wow, I'm out. No, I, I get it. I thought, I thought, I thought the horoscope end of it died when my mom passed away, but I, you know, I get, I, you know.
Sarah Collins (08:01.402)
Bill is like, what are we talking about now?
Jen Werner (08:03.574)
You
Jen Werner (08:10.198)
There's still so many people who say it. And when I look at all the people who come to me with that kind of language, I'm like, yeah, I am so a Gemini. So it is just funny and I love the contrasting strength. So I'm excited.
Sarah Collins (08:11.79)
Nope, astrology, she's entered the building.
Bill Dippel (08:14.689)
Right.
Sarah Collins (08:28.358)
I love that too, oh my gosh.
Bill Dippel (08:28.558)
Well, good or bad, I'm a triple Pisces. So just, you know, apparently.
Sarah Collins (08:35.289)
Oh, okay. Well, I'm a Virgo. I mean, if we're just laying it out there. If anyone was curious about, you know, the horoscopes and astrology of it all, Pisces, Virgo, Gemini, we're here today to play.
Jen Werner (08:35.35)
Okay. All right. We should just put that out there. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (08:41.411)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (08:46.349)
I'm.
Jen Werner (08:49.024)
We're here.
Bill Dippel (08:49.902)
Oh, I'm super curious. Yeah. Now how does it all fit? Jen's going to let us know. I love, I love that.
Jen Werner (08:51.99)
No idea.
Sarah Collins (08:54.65)
I know. And I think we just jump into our question because Jen, it sounds like you have personal experience with this. And I have to imagine it's because of this dynamic mix of strengths that you have. So today, our spicy question is, what if you hate your strengths? You take the assessment, you see them, and you're like, I don't think so. Or something else of that version. So our guest today, Jen, she says she has.
Jen Werner (09:04.982)
Could be.
Jen Werner (09:16.756)
Yup.
Sarah Collins (09:22.438)
personal experience hating her strengths. Tell us your story, Jed.
Bill Dippel (09:26.424)
Go. Go.
Jen Werner (09:26.608)
I do. So, all right. So when I took my strengths, was with a brand new manager. She had come to the company, it was brand new. Didn't know any of us, didn't know anyone else in the company. She was like, hey, I have this awesome thing. Like, here's this book, Strengths 2.0. Like, read this book, take this assessment that's in the back. We did it, our whole team. And at the time, I was like the unofficial team leader, because I was a salesperson.
leading a team that had designers and sales support and other project managers and other people on our team. And I was feeling rather alone. So when I took it and I end up with like four of my top five are all in executing. And then when you look into like, and that's all I knew at the time was just those four out of five plus my activator.
Sarah Collins (10:14.746)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (10:17.896)
And then my team took theirs. I was like, well, no wonder I'm feeling alone. Like, look at all my executing. Like, I'm the doer, right? And then when my team took theirs and we all shared, everyone else was high relationship building. And the words came out of her mouth. yours are boring. And I'm like, yeah, you know what? They actually are. And then I was like, yeah.
I don't want to be boring, but I also was like, yeah, and you all are lazy. Like, why aren't you doing anything? So this gets real, real fast, right? And I'm like, how the heck do I work with a bunch of people who are all about what we're having for lunch or what we did over the weekend? Can we please get to work? So I went through some deep reflection. I wouldn't say I necessarily hated my strengths right off the bat.
Bill Dippel (10:53.944)
Ha
Jen Werner (11:15.99)
But then I got the insight report. So this was back in the day before the awesome full 34 report came out or even the top five now that gives you like what to watch out for and how your things can partner, right? Like this was before then, because I'm talking old school. So I'm pulling my little notes up so can give you like the specifics because this is why I hated it. All right, starting with responsibility.
Jen Werner (11:44.673)
Prefer to produce results on your own. Okay, how do you do that in a team? Achiever, you only trust yourself to reach the high standards you have set. Okay, right, okay, and then belief, you place the needs of others over your own. Well, that's wonderful. How am I ever getting anywhere in the world? Okay.
Sarah Collins (11:59.352)
These are like fighting words.
Jen Werner (12:13.546)
That's fine, we can keep moving forward. It's all right, I know I'm a little stubborn. Yep, yep, that was in there too. More likely, deliberative, you are more likely to applaud those who have gone above and beyond the call of duty, simply meeting expectations is not enough to deserve a compliment. And holy crap, did that one hit hard. I was like, I 100 % agree with that statement.
still a little bit today. And then, Activator, people who interfere with your progress probably annoy you. And so here I am an unofficial leader of a team who is all kumbaya and relationship building. They all love one another and have so much fun at work. And I'm all here trying to get crap done. I don't know if I'm allowed to swear on this podcast. okay, good. And this
Bill Dippel (12:43.351)
Hmm
Sarah Collins (13:06.532)
You can, yes.
Jen Werner (13:10.966)
These five statements told me I am an asshole. And I'm like, I hate my strengths. Like, why am I like this? And that got me really digging into like who I am and what these mean, how to change that perception of like that these are bad things because they're not. My team needed me. They needed my drive. They needed my like ability to.
Bill Dippel (13:16.172)
Uh-uh.
Jen Werner (13:39.103)
like pull all of these different things that we have going on together and motivate them. What I didn't know was that I could do that through my belief in my why. And once I started sharing like, yeah, furniture is not all that exciting and not super funded, like get all worked up about, but I got worked up about it every single day. And I'm like, why is no one else caring about this? And when I started sharing my why with everyone, I'm like, look.
look at me building relationships with my why. So I was really loving that and I really felt great things with it. So then I started loving my strengths. And then, not just once did I hate my strengths, I hated them the second time. this digs deeper into that mix of that activator consistency adaptability.
Sarah Collins (14:22.534)
love this roller coaster ride. Take us on it.
Bill Dippel (14:25.026)
I'm on it, yeah.
Jen Werner (14:36.15)
I'm sorry, deliverative activator and then consistency and adaptability. It kind of digs into those a little deeper. So I went through a portion of my life somewhat recently where we were being, my husband and I were being caretakers for a family member. And we were in charge of taking care of this person. they...
cannot be there by themselves. Like it's very important that we just love and care and make sure that they taking pills and all of these things. Responsibility number one, I've got you. Like you're gonna take all your pills and we're all gonna be good. This relationship was really, really difficult. So it started to like put me in a weird place where I couldn't be responsible. And when I was responsible, I was questioned. I will say this was a very toxic relationship.
And I don't know how I got myself into it as deeply as I got, but I'd say that was where later I went real deep. And then I started doing some more like digging in my strengths. So there was one specific group I was part of where we talked about our talents and how they manifest. And if we were to give ourselves a symbol, what would our symbol be? And I was like, this is a fun exercise.
Sarah Collins (15:33.754)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (15:54.711)
However, I was in the middle of this like toxic, terrible, terrible point. And what I saw was I'm heavily executing, so I'm a doer, my adaptability and my belief. So with my belief being that one where it's like I put others needs above my own, yeah, I didn't take care of myself at all in this time when I was caring for someone else. I gave fully to that person, put myself,
Sarah Collins (16:17.254)
you
Jen Werner (16:24.05)
my needs, my health, everything on the back burner during COVID. Mind you, so that was a little rough. And then the adaptability was really about like bending to the needs of others. And I was like, so what am I? I'm a tool? Now I'm a tool. I'm literally a tool to just be used and abused by someone else because I'll just do all your dirty work. I'll do all the things that need to be done.
I won't question it because it is my responsibility and I'm going to like work myself to death because I'm an achiever. I have belief like I know this is important. What I'm doing is important and your needs are more important than mine. And oh, by the way, I have deliberative so I worry about every damn thing that's going to happen because everything has risks and I need to look at them well in advance of when they're going to happen. I was so stuck in my mind. I hated.
my strengths and I could see I got myself into the position I was in based on past trauma in my life. And a lot of people talk about that whole bridge between trauma and strengths and are we like, is it nature or nurture and where do our talents come from? And I will say in that moment I was furious and hated my strengths. I'm like, I could see from childhood how all of these could have formed from nurture.
Bill Dippel (17:47.831)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (17:49.929)
or lack of compared to nature. I'm still, like, but better or worse, it made me who I am today. makes me who, why, like it drives my why of why it's so important for people to just be who they are, not to try to be someone else, to love and then, and like just really, really feel who you are and be okay being you.
because there isn't another one out there. And rather than being somebody else, it's so important that we just embrace who we are and do the best we can with what we have. It is really hard when that best you can with what you have starts being abused by others. And I'd say that's that place where like, if someone, if you have a strength and somebody's using it and really taking advantage, it can be really, really difficult to pull yourself out of that place and not want to be that person anymore.
Bill Dippel (18:32.344)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (18:32.55)
you
Sarah Collins (18:45.081)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (18:46.892)
Yeah, yeah. Wow. I so Jen, so much comes up for me when when we're listening to that. And thank you so much for the for the honesty and the ability to to lean into that, because I mean, even as strengths coaches, how many of us would jump right in and be able to say, I hated everything about what about this? Right. Hated it. Hated it. And I think it's fair to say most of us and I'll speak for myself in this case, most of us have some aspect of our of our strengths.
Jen Werner (19:06.543)
hated it.
Bill Dippel (19:16.93)
that we look at and go, man, I wish that was not that way. Or, you know, for instance, you brought up in the beginning you were surrounded by relationship people and my folder is blue, right? My I am up to your relationship builder. And there are times I feel lazy. You know, I you know, why am I in bed this late today? What am I? know, and and I see it and I resonate with that. But when I heard that first section of when you first took it.
Jen Werner (19:26.998)
You hear this?
Bill Dippel (19:44.934)
and all of those played in the hits that you took and the feelings you felt around them. It reminds me how often we coach and have the philosophy around you generally have a hard time seeing your own strengths. It's difficult for you to spot those because for you, that's just naturally and inherent. And everyone does that until we point out, no, that is incredibly unique. And that's where the power
of being a strengths coach is we had a guest on our first season and I told this story so I know she can't she won't yell at me but I had somebody who had positivity as number one and she hated it. Hated it. I am not positive. I hate you know, I don't know how this came up. This is terrible. And everyone in the room dropped dead laughing because she's one of the most positive, friendly, upbeat, fun. And it was just that she was so close to positivity and so inherent in her.
Jen Werner (20:42.038)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (20:43.948)
she didn't see it happening. you know, so eye-opening as you mentioned that right when you read the words, they meant something different to you because now they are in front of you rather than they're just inherent and natural. It's something you now have to absorb. know, Sarah, I'm curious on your end, how often are you coaching towards that modality? How often are you looking at how that affects people and bringing those
Jen Werner (21:01.44)
Right.
Bill Dippel (21:12.386)
that point up or do you? that something you cover?
Sarah Collins (21:15.674)
Yeah, yeah. First, I just want to point out something before I forget to say it that I think was so key and what in Jen's experience when she first took it and she only got her top five, which is what we used to do all the time, right? That that was standard operating procedure for a long time. And she saw she had four executing and one influencing. And she was surrounded with other people with top fives that had relationship building and she felt like she didn't fit.
Jen Werner (21:29.46)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (21:43.62)
And it was even implied by people who were not trained that she didn't fit, right? To me, this is why I love looking at the Fool 34. And I almost never wanna work with someone if they're only willing to do their top five, because I think it's so limiting because I think part of the reason Jen hated her strengths in the beginning was because she didn't see what was all in her tool belt. Because if she would have, she would have seen that she has
Bill Dippel (21:47.118)
Sure. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (22:11.782)
adaptability, relator, and empathy in her top 10, which are relationship building themes. Exactly, exactly. So she actually is someone who has so much relationship building support, but we sort of zeroed in on this executing superpower, which she has, but it was almost villainized to her. And then she's villainizing herself, looking at sort of that dumpster fire of how those could come out.
Bill Dippel (22:15.724)
and Harmony and Developer 11 and 12, right? So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jen Werner (22:17.718)
Right?
Jen Werner (22:32.63)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (22:38.184)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (22:40.376)
Right? And so I just think it's a really good example of how the top five can be more limiting and why if you only have your top five and you're feeling like, ugh, get the full report. You can go onto Gallup and buy an upgrade. You don't have to retest. You can just spend a little money and it will unlock the report that you already have.
And I think that there's a lot more to work with there. And I know that folks out there, clients I work with can get overwhelmed knowing 10 strengths is a lot. And I'm not saying it's not, but like we were saying in the beginning, people are so complex. And so that's why I like the assessment is because it allows for complexities. Does that mean you're going to have to spend some time learning about yourself because you're different and even the strengths we share are going to show up different? Yes. Yes, it is going to take some time.
but there is nothing worth it more in this world than for you to spend some time learning about who you are and what makes you wonderful. Nothing. There is literally nothing more important. Figure out who you are and what makes you wonderful and figure out how that looks. That is worth your time and energy. And so I just implore people to do that. And you know, I've said it on the podcast before, I love all assessments. I'm not out here hating assessments. I'm an Enneagram three.
and I'm a Hufflepuff. Like, thank you Buzzfeed for every quiz that you could ever give me, I will take it. But the thing about all those assessment is they put you in a box. And I just don't believe there's four types of us or nine types of us or whatever. I do think that we are very complex individuals. We have very different life experiences. I think we are born a certain way. And then I think our life experiences shape us as well. And so this, I believe, accounts for that.
Jen Werner (24:05.148)
Same.
Bill Dippel (24:14.178)
Right. Right.
Sarah Collins (24:30.658)
And I think that if you can look at that and really learn about yourself, it takes away some of the hate.
Bill Dippel (24:36.973)
Hmm.
Jen Werner (24:38.356)
It does. 100%.
Bill Dippel (24:39.862)
Nice. Nice. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (24:41.7)
Yeah. So I don't know if that even came close to answering the question you asked me, Bill. just went on my own throat box moment.
Jen Werner (24:45.718)
You
I don't even remember what the question was.
Bill Dippel (24:48.066)
No, no, it didn't. It didn't touch anything on the question I asked you. But again, this Sarah soapbox moment brought to you by by Ariat, the leader in Western wear. I know I don't I got nothing. No, I was asking how how often do you are we coaching and Jen from you as a coaching point of view to how often are we are we coming upon a client that that can't see it, although it's
Sarah Collins (25:01.018)
I wish.
Jen Werner (25:04.15)
You get that.
Bill Dippel (25:18.094)
So obvious, so obvious. And how do you coach around that?
Jen Werner (25:19.22)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (25:23.93)
Yeah, I think if I'm like working with a group, I usually have like one in every group who has at least one strength where they're like, nah, girl, it ain't me. And it's funny because it's usually top five and they've usually just taken the assessment. And the assessment is so good at like really kneeling people down. And so I just get so curious. I'm like, okay, you know, I think I've learned from parenting that if I deny my child, like if my child comes in and is like, I hit my leg.
hurts and I saw it happen and you're like, you literally very touched it. Like you hit it with a feather. What is gone? If I deny them and I'm like, you're fine, you're fine. Then they're just like, no, my leg hurts. But if I'm like, my God, your leg hurts. You hit it with that feather. Would you like an ice pack? They're like, yeah. They take the ice pack for three seconds. And then they're like, now I am fine and I am fixed. Right. It's just the validating. I use this same philosophy with clients. Like, okay, you don't believe that your empathy or your harmony or your whatever.
Jen Werner (26:15.99)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (26:22.658)
is you. Like, tell me more. Tell me why not, right? Tell me where you've seen this. What about it is like kind of triggering you or feeling inauthentic? And I just go down the curiosity path of like, yes, and, and usually people work themselves into it where they're like, or sometimes I'll pass it because when I do an introductory strengths coaching session, I tell people, tell me your career story.
Bill Dippel (26:26.786)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (26:50.084)
and then we go through their top 10 strengths where we sort of round robin. I say what I know about the theme, but then I have them tell me how it showed up for them. And it's so funny, because you know, we'll get to strategic, which people often don't see it sits on the brim of their nose. They'll be like, I don't see this at all. I'm like, okay. And then as we're going, I'll be like, was that strategic? And they'll be like, huh. And then the next time they'll say something like, what about that? It almost sounds like strategic.
Jen Werner (27:02.101)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (27:14.234)
And then usually by the end they're like, wow, okay, okay, you have just proven to me based on my own experiences that I have that. And so, you know, it's just sort of like, say again, I always say to people, it's your assessment. If you really think that this was a mistake, then don't claim it. I don't care. But let's do some curiosity and exploration to see if we can get there. Jen, do you have a different approach?
Bill Dippel (27:21.144)
Right.
Jen Werner (27:34.39)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (27:40.727)
Oh my gosh, it's so funny that you brought up harmony, empathy, and positivity. Both of you brought up those three because those are the ones that I've seen the most where it's like managers usually, especially those high with harmony or empathy. They're like, I can't look weak to these people. those are the ones that they're like worried about and hating. But I love that moment, Sarah, where you...
Sarah Collins (28:00.996)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (28:07.306)
Well, like you have the person who was like, that's not me at all. I don't, don't, I don't see that at all. I'm like, okay. And then like we continue on in the cases that it's happened before. It's like, I knew the people and had worked with them for a while and I was like, this is so you. And I'm like, I can't believe you can't see it. It's like you said, like the strategic, it's right there on the bridge of their nose. They can't see it. So that's the exact same, like they am like, just going to ask questions. I'm going to have like some moments.
tell me what this means to you, I'll be like, well, others have told me that they see it like this. And then all of a sudden, like, you see that you see it in their eyes, that moment where they're like, my God, that's me. Yeah, I do that all the time. I'm like, huh, must be that's your, you know, whatever, whatever talent that is. And I love that moment because it's like, then they see it and they can't unsee it, right? Like this is, this is that moment where as soon as you see something,
Sarah Collins (28:49.382)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (29:00.027)
Yeah.
Jen Werner (29:04.404)
You can't unsee that happen. And if you hate your strengths, that's a really bad place to be because like me, I'm like, and I see it all the time how I'm not going to tell anybody they did a good job unless they exceeded my expectations. by the way, because of Achiever are super high. Gosh, shit. Like it's a hard, it's a hard line that like seeing and not believing. But I love it with Harmony, especially we like to go back to my like managers who have Harmony. They're like,
I want to know what other people think. I want to hear their opinion and that weighs on the decision I make. But when I do that and I ask people, like, I think they think I don't have an opinion of my own or like I need everyone else's input in that, especially if they have Harmony and Includer in their top five, they've been really, really pushing back on that, like that they don't need everyone, that this is not them. And I'm like, but it is.
Sarah Collins (29:53.008)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (30:03.67)
and you're coming from a good place, let's look at what that looks like for you. How do you include others? How are you using your harmony? What are you going for? What is your main goal? And then they start to understand and appreciate it, just like I needed my coach at the beginning to get my full 34 so that I could see that I had those relationship buildings just below the surface, so to speak. And it changed how I...
Sarah Collins (30:13.7)
Yeah.
Jen Werner (30:29.952)
thought about my talents altogether. And you think that's the power of having a coach is we do understand this because we have spent the time. We've also learned lots from other people, like just being with others and talking about their talents. We start to see them come alive. And then we're like, OK, let me help you. Let me help you see this in a light that you can't currently see it. Because I think when we hate our talents, it does hurt.
because we keep only seeing that part of it instead of what it really could be.
Sarah Collins (31:00.262)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (31:02.594)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (31:02.692)
Yeah. Bill, have you had clients that besides what's her face that hated positivity? Gretchen. I was like, I know her. Do you have any other stories of clients who hated their talents and how you helped them come around?
Jen Werner (31:06.934)
Thank
Bill Dippel (31:16.018)
yeah. mean, I've got, I, and I, I'm so glad Jen, you hit on this early on because I wrote from my notes today and show notes. wrote, do you, did you hate it when you took it or do you, did you learn to hate them? Right. Because I see, I see coaches in both, or I should say clients on both sides. Right. I took it. I hated it. And,
Sarah Collins (31:30.758)
you
Bill Dippel (31:40.46)
you know, I'll come around to it or there were one or two parts of it that I didn't like because I don't think it accurately reflected some stuff. And then we dive into it and then inevitably, yeah, that actually does really kind of dive into that. It's extremely rare. And I mean, one hand, maybe even two fingers, somebody's I can't get someone to really go, you know, I was just thinking of the theme and the label. And now that I've given it now that I've really gone into it.
Jen Werner (32:06.038)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (32:09.962)
I now get, I see why that isn't what I thought it was. I had a misunderstanding of that. The more fun for me are the people that learn to hate it, the people that have taken it and like you, Jen, and you've done both. Right. You took it, hated it, got picked on about it, then loved it. Then you kind of learned secondarily. Now I'm going to hate it for a whole different reason. Yeah, I've had clients where they've gotten to that point where now that they know it.
Sarah Collins (32:18.49)
Mm-mm.
Bill Dippel (32:37.088)
And now that we've started diving in and we often communicate the difference between a strength or a weakness from a Gallup point of view, a weakness being anything that stands in the way of your success. Period. Stop. Don't care what that success looks like. You know, whatever it is to you, we're going to aim it at that. But learning to dislike my theme or what it says about me and then stepping forward to push and start to understand, actually, I can use this in a different way.
or I need to pivot to another theme or partner, have that dynamic partnership. I really think for us as three coaches on this, that opens up a playground for us. That opens up, I look for those moments more, I know we're talking about it today as a pain point, but from a coaching point of view, I actually look at those as opportunity because now,
Sarah Collins (33:17.574)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (33:31.222)
we're talking and having an open discussion about, okay, well you don't believe in that, this is where this happens. And I'm thinking of one client in particular now that I'm working with one-on-one solo and there are certain themes she has where she just, you know, she says, well good, I can do this and this and this this week. And when that didn't work, nope, gosh darn it, I completely failed and let this theme down. And in reality, you didn't let the theme down, right?
Sarah Collins (33:57.414)
you
Bill Dippel (34:01.004)
the theme didn't let you down, you didn't let the theme down. We just used it instead of being really mature about it and stepping into it. We did something that we can now coach on. That's a fruitful moment for us. It's not a failure. Let's build to that. So yeah, I would say we definitely, we see them, we try to deal with them. Jen, and I point this out, your belief when I saw it on your assessment, I thought, well, we're talking about that today.
Sarah Collins (34:13.936)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (34:29.746)
Often it's the belief people that when I see it coming up, I'm a little uh-oh, you know somebody with belief I'm gonna love it. I'm putting my flag in the sand and I would say that is one that quite often when I'm dealing with people and you ask the question Sarah They hate it or they learn to hate it or they got there quite often it is belief or if that's in that assess You know if that is in their assessment, it's one that
Jen Werner (34:37.27)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (34:56.098)
they don't gravitate too naturally. Sometimes they push that away. And Jen, I'm curious how that plays out in your world is belief. One of those where you were like, man, that one tripped me up.
Jen Werner (35:07.58)
It was funny Bill because I didn't see it. It was the like on the bridge of the nose for me and it took having. A coach to to actually see that in my life and she would point it out every time she saw it and that was how I started to learn to see it because I just didn't see it. I didn't think I mean yes, I know I'm stubborn so that that side of it. I was like OK, but that's not something to be proud of. Like yes, I'm a stubborn ass like move me. Try to move me you know like this.
Sarah Collins (35:22.138)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (35:36.523)
This isn't something to be proud of. Like, I'm going to wear that like a badge. Hey. But I didn't see how strongly I believed about certain things until others could start to point it out. And then when others saw it in me and started pointing it out in good ways, like how it encouraged them and actually moved them, which I thought was the weirdest thing, like, why is this in the executing domain? Like, it didn't make sense to me that this was an executing strength. Like, how is belief?
Sarah Collins (35:52.688)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (35:53.614)
Nah.
Jen Werner (36:05.224)
and executing strength. So I really did struggle to see it. And when I did, then it was really helpful to have other people reinforce that in positive ways, not just when I was being a stubborn ass, but about why I was so excited about something or like, you hear yourself right now? Like I can hear you. Like Sarah talks about it and you guys talk about Sarah's soapbox moments.
I carry mine with me regularly so that I can jump up on it and tell everyone what I think about that and why this is important. and by the way, Activator, yeah, get out of my way so that we can keep this moving forward, right? So I think that that's where the belief has been really great for me, but I do think it's a harder one to see. And if it's missing from your top five and you are someone say like in the church who expected to see it there.
Sarah Collins (36:38.51)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (36:48.058)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (36:57.43)
Oh, they get all worked up, especially if it's really low in their, in their list. Like then they start to worry. Like, does this mean something about me that I don't have belief in my top five? I'm like, you, you've just, it's a different thing for you. It comes from a different place. What you're doing is different. Like it doesn't mean that I would be a great preacher. Um, pretty sure I shouldn't be. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (37:02.096)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (37:12.58)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (37:14.093)
down.
Bill Dippel (37:21.966)
Well, and I would point out to just to echo that, Jen, it's 18 for Sarah and it's 27 for me. So if I'm believing in it, right, or if I have belief in belief, I I'm failing, right? I don't. But I do. I get opinionated. But I can be pretty easy to move. And Sarah, I cut you off on that just to point out where we're at in that one. What were you hitting on?
Sarah Collins (37:22.063)
I love-
Jen Werner (37:28.31)
wow.
Jen Werner (37:36.212)
Mm-hmm.
You
Jen Werner (37:45.321)
No.
Sarah Collins (37:47.876)
Yeah, I was just going to say the stubborn asshole just needed a rebrand, Jen, right? Like it was good. It was like good. just like needed rebranded. And I honestly think like when you hate your strengths, you kind of have to do a rebrand. Like you're looking at the dumpster fire side of it. And I love what you said earlier, Bill. I think it is an awesome opportunity for growth. Like I think oftentimes I tell people my own dumpster fire is that I have activator and responsibility, relatable, right? And
Jen Werner (37:53.587)
Yes.
Jen Werner (37:58.123)
Yes.
Jen Werner (38:01.878)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Jen Werner (38:16.192)
Same.
Sarah Collins (38:17.707)
What that meant for me for long time as a business owner of one is I would quickly say yes to something and then I would not want to do it. But my responsibility would be like, no girl, you have to do it because you said yes to it. And I kept getting myself into all these situations that I just was so like, this isn't what I should be doing and I don't want to do it. And so that was an opportunity for growth, right? Because I kind of started hating myself that I was always in a moment just jumping on things and then be like
Bill Dippel (38:28.802)
You're doing it.
Sarah Collins (38:46.34)
wasn't thoughtful at all. You know, I don't have deliberative or strategic, so I'm just going. And then I had to learn how to develop that. I had to learn how to slow down my activator in those moments to say, let me think about it. And I sometimes will just say to people, hi, I have high activator, so I really want to say yes to you right now, but I have put a boundary on myself to say, I'll think about it. So I want you to know that in this moment, I want to say yes, but I'm going to email you tomorrow.
Jen Werner (39:05.472)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (39:13.846)
Right. Right.
Sarah Collins (39:14.68)
And so I use the language, literally the strength language in my way of like, down, think about it. And so now I don't hate these strengths because I've been able to like manage them. And that's how you grow. That's how you aim your strengths, right? At what you want. so it's like, Bill, you're exactly right. If you're hating your strengths, you have so much opportunity to grow.
Bill Dippel (39:39.576)
Yeah, yeah. And you asked, you know, are there other clients we deal with? I would say another vein that works with this a lot. Curious from you two, when I get futuristic ideation people and they just go, they just riff, they they pound on, you know, especially if you put them in a room with other high ideation futuristic's, they're not getting anything done, right? They are they're they're they are thinking way out there. They are coming up with.
Jen Werner (39:40.617)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (40:08.418)
different all the possibilities. How do we get there? And then they're feeding on each other and they're rolling it. While that can be a really good event for people that need to have ideas around where to go, it can be an absolute logjam. It can be a shutdown event where people are not getting done the stuff of today. Right. How often do we need to be thinking about the next five minutes or the next hour or the next week?
and not what's going to happen two years from now. And ideate around how do we how do I how do I do how do I film this podcast from the moon? Right. Or how do I you know, how do I get Elon Musk on the show? Again, I don't you know, I those are laudable. But if we're trying to get something done today, that's going to be a moment. So I would say when you asked about it, Sarah, one of the one of the groups I deal with a lot is futuristic ideation when I see it and how that log jam comes comes to play.
Jen Werner (40:57.118)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (41:02.662)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I love what you're pointing out. It makes me think of harmony, which Jenny mentioned earlier. The raw side of harmony gets hated so much. People who have not matured their harmony to go into the storm like the bison, right? My metaphor of like be the bison, bison intuitively go into a storm to get through it faster, where cattle will try to outrun the storm. So if you think of the storm as the conflict.
Jen Werner (41:15.158)
Mm.
Sarah Collins (41:29.446)
A raw harmony will try to be the cattle and outrun the storm to avoid the conflict. And then it's sitting on their shoulders. We can feel that heaviness. I'm one of these people. And so I'm always telling people, the bison. When conflict is necessary, because it will be sometimes necessary, you need to go straight into it. So you need to learn how to go straight into it. And it might be uncomfortable still.
I have clients, I personally feel this way where I'm like, I have to do this conflict. And I feel sick to my stomach. I do not like it. But I know going into it and facing that danger zone a little bit is going to get me actually out of it in a better mature way. It's gonna help my life. And so it's like stretching the harmony to that mature space makes me hate it less.
Now I still hate it a little bit as many clients do because they're like, I gotta have a bison moment. I gotta do it. I don't want to, but it's just, unfortunately as like human beings, we will enter conflict. And that is just hard for the Harmony people. Cause they just wouldn't be like, let's all go the same way in the same place and the same speed and like get along and be happy.
Jen Werner (42:41.13)
Hmm?
Bill Dippel (42:42.594)
Yeah, my harmony, my harmony flares up frequently. And I think I'm fortunate in that having the the idea of strengths while I'm coaching and having fellow coaches around me, sometimes some of my team when we're coaching a large group, how often I let the harmony go away. Like I'm going to let harmony sit in the back seat for a couple of moments because I'll have a naysayer in the group.
And instead of me avoiding the naysayer, sorry, now for everybody that's ever going to be in a group with me, they know now I'm going to keep my hand down. Instead of avoiding the naysayer, I always lean in. I always go at
Sarah Collins (43:25.058)
do you think this is your woo taking over though? I feel like that's what, that happens to me. I'm the same way in a group, if there's an A-sayer and I'm a facilitator, like my woo to win them over, it will bat down that harmony. You have that, I wonder if that's what's happening.
Bill Dippel (43:29.806)
Hmm.
Bill Dippel (43:36.397)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (43:40.148)
Interesting. Interesting. I'm I do. Yeah, who's very high for me. It's up there. I when I do it, it doesn't feel like I'm trying to win you over for me. And it might be that I'm trying to win the room over because what I don't want is to get into a debate with one person and then have everyone go, well, actually, you know, that's a good point. You know, I maybe we shouldn't be here, right? I want to lean into the naysayer because I want to say, well, let's let's dive into that deeper.
Sarah Collins (43:55.718)
Mmm.
Jen Werner (44:00.554)
Lose everyone.
Jen Werner (44:04.81)
Yep.
Bill Dippel (44:09.654)
and let's get to a point where we have some commonality. I mean, it could be the woo for the room. Definitely not for the person. But like you said, I get that gooey moment. Well, we're going to we're going to dive into this together and we're going to come in because I honestly feel the majority of times I've done that almost exclusively. If you shine a light on it and you point it out, you can work through it in a way that everybody in the room then goes, wow, that actually is powerful.
Sarah Collins (44:15.344)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (44:37.798)
I have some of those own doubts and questions myself, working with someone we might get through that. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (44:44.004)
Yeah. Okay. Well, we've talked a little bit about this, but I need to know, Jen, when have your strengths gotten you into your dumpster fire?
Jen Werner (44:54.038)
Activator every single day still okay, so Like you I I do I do have those moments where like I have to be like I want to say yes to this but I need to think about it like is this the thing that I should be doing I will say that You've been it's about almost been almost ten years now since I took my my Clifton strengths and I will say strength finder strength finder Clifton strength. Yeah
I will say that still gets me in trouble because I want to. like, if like my belief jumps in, my achiever jumps in, my responsibility jumps in. And then if you're close to me, God, if you're close to me, like you can 100 % believe I'm going to say yes, even if it's something that's not important to me. So that's a struggle. But I will say just recently, I'm like within the next, like the last couple of years, my activator has learned like,
Sarah Collins (45:41.254)
Yum.
Jen Werner (45:52.605)
it's okay to lean a little more on my deliberative. But if my lean on my deliberative too long, I'll never do it. So that's, that's one of those like where we talked about those opposites of those strengths. It's, I think this is where my, my activator, my deliberative can slow my activator down, but it, is an intentional effort to have my deliberative slow my activator down because it's, it's more of like, I don't see the risk in the moment. Like it doesn't matter.
what the risk is in the moment. I want this, this is important, I should do it, I'm gonna do it. And so now I've signed up. And then my deliberative kicks in and I'm like, where were you five minutes ago to stop me from, know, like saying yes to this already. So, right? Yes, right. Like why weren't you here five minutes ago? And it's usually because I didn't give myself the pause. I didn't give myself that moment to be like, hold on, is this what I should do? I will say that.
Bill Dippel (46:32.334)
Now I'm in trouble. Where were you? Yeah.
Sarah Collins (46:34.15)
you
Sarah Collins (46:42.566)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (46:49.786)
Still to this day, I do make those snap judgments. And then later like, God, what did I do today? This morning was one of those where I was asked to be on the podcast and I was like, yes, absolutely. Cause I love these two people. And then was also like, poop. Do I even have like all the necessary things I need to have? Like, do I, am I ready for this? Do I even know what I've signed up for? It doesn't matter because I love Bill and Sarah. So I'll be there. But.
Like I do think that that's like the fancy dance that happens with those two. And if I don't say yes right away, my deliberative will typically find a reason to not say yes. that's kind of how those two usually work. Whereas if I didn't say yes right away, the answer probably is no, because that's kicked up first. It must not be super close to me. It must not be.
Bill Dippel (47:30.99)
Wow.
Sarah Collins (47:31.238)
Sarah Collins (47:39.43)
I
Sarah Collins (47:44.944)
Yeah.
Jen Werner (47:45.151)
you know, real deep in my belief, my responsibility, something about it, or you are not close enough to me that you didn't get the yes right away. I think. Yeah, she sure did.
Sarah Collins (47:53.989)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (47:55.118)
Wow, and Sarah, you got the yes in about eight seconds when you asked her to be on the podcast. you know.
Sarah Collins (47:58.874)
Thank God, it makes me feel really good. And honestly, when you look at your strengths with that adaptability, relate or empathy, those relationship building themes, it totally makes sense that like the relationship triggers that wanting to say yes and do the thing so much faster. I love the way that you describe that. Now I want to know what are the fire? What's a firework moment, which is a new segment on our podcast.
Jen Werner (48:09.334)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Werner (48:14.025)
It does.
Jen Werner (48:21.92)
Mm.
Sarah Collins (48:23.098)
we've added that is when your strengths have helped you be extremely successful. When has like you've seen the fireworks of these talents.
Jen Werner (48:34.002)
every day. It's so hard to pinpoint one specific, but I will say that really the Achiever Responsibility Activator, that trio gets fed almost daily. And it comes from this place of now that I'm on my own and I am doing my own thing, it means I can work as hard as I want, as long as I want, on whatever I want. And
Ultimately, that sometimes means it's like volunteer different things where I get myself just so buried in other things that, but they mean so much to me and I love those moments. It really means like I'm showing up, I'm being who I'm supposed to be myself, not somebody else and not a version of me that I'm pretending to be for someone. I get to be who I am.
and put all of these wonderful talents I have to work. And when they get to do stuff, my God, I love doing things. So just get the stuff, the barriers, the things out of my way and let me do makes my achiever and my activator and my responsibilities so, so happy.
Bill Dippel (49:44.338)
Wow, wow, I love it every single day. What a great answer to that, right? Yeah, I get your activator on the on the dumpster fire moment. You know, for me, there are times my activator, I guess, officially doesn't care if I got the job done, right? I wanted to start it. I wanted to get moving on it. But there are times I'm like, you know, if it got done, I got done great. And I hear that in that and I echo so much with you too every day.
Sarah Collins (49:44.998)
Absolutely.
Jen Werner (49:49.62)
I mean, really, yeah.
Jen Werner (49:55.062)
You
Bill Dippel (50:13.848)
There's something in my strengths that gets fueled by something that I'm out there doing. So that firework moment comes, comes to reality there. So that's fantastic. I love it.
Sarah Collins (50:23.876)
Now we are, we added a new segment for season two where we talk to LinkedIn and we get their reactions and polls for our question. However, I'm not just asking the question. So I didn't ask LinkedIn, like, do you hate your strengths? I asked LinkedIn, what was your first reaction to your top five? And the answer, the options were spot on 100%, surprised but curious, confused or skeptical or ugh, I hated them.
Bill Dippel (50:39.864)
hahahaha
Sarah Collins (50:52.806)
And of the people who responded on LinkedIn, we had 91 % said spot on 100 % and 9 % surprised but curious, zero, big old goose eggs in the other one. So from our poll, no one hated them. So even though we're talking about this today, and I do think that there are people out there who have clearly hated their strengths, all of them or some of them. From the poll, whoever is following us on the LinkedIn who's participating.
We had none. So it's not necessarily, I mean, I honestly think, and I think you all would echo this, more people will say to me, my gosh, I feel like this thing saw me naked. Like, well, what is happening? Then say they hate it.
Bill Dippel (51:32.46)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think inevitably the word I get the most is spooky. I get that word all the time, how spooky it was to read this report and know what it hit on me. But we're in a we're in the great strengths debate podcast, right? So we have to bring up the other end. And I can't think of a better guest today to bring up the other end of of did I hate it than Jen. So Jen, I mean,
Jen Werner (51:32.874)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (51:39.342)
Yeah.
Jen Werner (51:39.411)
Yes. Nice.
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (51:59.856)
I know.
Jen Werner (52:00.225)
Thanks.
Bill Dippel (52:01.534)
unbelievably good today to bring up the multiple times you've hated it and the exact reasons why and how relevant that is for other people, how heartfelt you came with that, but also how other people will listen to it and be like, okay, I it's okay that I don't resonate with this every minute of every day. Yeah.
Jen Werner (52:21.397)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (52:21.552)
Yeah. Jen, before we leave today, tell the audience where they can find you. Shout out your business, your website, your LinkedIn. How do you want people to find you and connect with you?
Jen Werner (52:32.01)
Yeah, any, any way you would like, you, you can find me Jen Werner coaching.com. It's Werner, like the trucks. If you're in Nebraska, you know what Werner is or the ladders, not Warner, like the brothers, Jen Werner with ease. yeah, LinkedIn, all, all the places, Instagram, whatever. most of the, most of the things are at Jen Werner coach. but yeah, any place, any place you want to find me.
Sarah Collins (52:40.23)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (52:54.146)
And just because it's fun, tell them like where you live?
Bill Dippel (52:54.187)
Excellent.
Jen Werner (52:58.102)
I live in the most beautiful place ever. So St. George, Utah area. So we are like the Sedona, if you've ever been to Sedona, like the Sedona of Utah, lots of red rock, beautifulness and sunshine all the time.
Bill Dippel (53:13.034)
I so I've done some coaching in St. George can float flown in for a couple of companies and done stuff. I have to agree with you every time I go to St. George, it absolutely just is mesmerizing and how beautiful it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Werner (53:17.45)
Hmm.
Jen Werner (53:24.853)
Yep.
Sarah Collins (53:26.118)
It's on my list, it's on my list. Oh, well, I would love that. need a.
Jen Werner (53:28.419)
please come see me.
Bill Dippel (53:30.946)
By the way, by the way, Sarah's coming to to the West Coast, but she's not visiting me and she's not going to you. I mean, she has something important she has to do. So I'm definitely cutting her some slack. But we are going to we are going to push Sarah to visit as often as we can. So, yeah.
Jen Werner (53:36.054)
Sarah Collins (53:43.226)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (53:48.4)
Sarah is in the season of having three small children and a husband with a job where he has to travel. Sarah's in a season of just necessary travel and the Idaho trip that I'm about to go on is not glamorous or fun. It is a family obligation. So sorry, Bill, to disappoint you.
Jen Werner (53:48.522)
Yes.
Bill Dippel (54:05.226)
I know I did all I could say. Hey, we'll just extend it. Come on over and you know, yeah. So but.
Jen Werner (54:06.006)
Cheers!
Right. I mean, she's so close to us, Idaho, it's so, close. well, Sarah will cut you some slack.
Sarah Collins (54:12.918)
I know.
Bill Dippel (54:15.79)
I know Sarah's going to have a wild time with that. I'm going to, you I got to let her, I got to let that one go. But I do, I am begging both Jen and Sarah, if you're coming to my neck of the woods, you have a place to stay and hang out. So awesome. All right. Well, in that, Jen, again, thank you so much for the honesty, the heartfelt thoughtfulness that you brought to that.
Sarah Collins (54:16.358)
I I wish. I wish I could.
Sarah Collins (54:31.683)
Awesome.
Jen Werner (54:32.95)
Thanks.
Bill Dippel (54:41.39)
Thank you for giving us some new words today, Sarah, right in the very beginning. I thought that was really creative and fun. And as always, we love kicking off season two with some guests right now. So thank you so much for being a part of that, And we will connect soon together and I'll come up. So loved having you. Thank you very much for being here. All right.
Sarah Collins (54:49.378)
Always, always.
Jen Werner (55:08.054)
Thanks for having me, guys.
Sarah Collins (55:09.53)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (55:10.442)
And with that and our arsonists, we will talk soon.
Sarah Collins (55:15.13)
Bye.